How do you honestly ascertain a person's history in the movement? Is it by reading about that individual in the press or knowing the person directly. In no way can you just easily attack a comrade precisely because you don't know his record of credentials. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device
-----Original Message----- From: Phuti <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 13:53:26 To: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] OPEN LETTER TO PRESIDENT JACOB GEDLEYIHLEKISAZUMA-ABOUT GOVERNMENT SPOKESPERSON JIMMY MANYI Thanks for the corrections with regard to my ill-informed mind "by thinking everyone can hold any government post"..... I learned 100%. And hence this forum. "Track records are important to us"? Goal displacement took place? To even those who wrote many "manifesto[s]"- come to think of it, many of us- the list is long and may (NB) include former President. Indeed some feels, thanks to the notion 'track record', certain positions belong to them. Let me rest my case before you ask about my 'track record'. Great weekend comrades. Viva!!! On 27 May 2011 12:53, <[email protected]> wrote: > > Phuti, > > I wish you attended the Annual TM lecture, definitely you would have not > erred by thinking everyone can hold any government post. > > A spokesperson of an ANC-led government should understand the ANC. > Probably, you think is an admin officers post, no is one of the top posts > for an ANC-led government. > > Service delivery is suffering because most of DDG's, provincial departments > HOD's, Senior managements are occupied by people who never read the > manifesto of the ruling party. What do you expect from such people? > > Track records are important to us so that those tasked with ensuring > delivery of service do it in line with the vision of the ruling party. We > cannot have the best spokesperson of government who does not have an ANC-led > Alliance track record. > > History tells us that we have failed in some parts because of the people we > have trusted with delivery and communication thereoff... > > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device > ------------------------------ > *From: * Phuti <[email protected]> > *Sender: * [email protected] > *Date: *Fri, 27 May 2011 12:35:28 +0200 > *To: *<[email protected]> > *ReplyTo: * [email protected] > *Subject: *Re: [YCLSA Discussion] OPEN LETTER TO PRESIDENT JACOB > GEDLEYIHLEKISA ZUMA-ABOUT GOVERNMENT SPOKESPERSON JIMMY MANYI > > This called 'track record in the movement'..... > > > In each one of us there will always be a weakness or two- this attitude or > tendency of wanting to know other people’s track record is misleading and it > is this weakness that has characterized some of our reasoning for some time. > Go quarrel about ‘track record’ in the ‘movement’ in relation to people > chosen to lead government institutions is wrong- government is not our > ‘movement’. > > > Also, to characterize one’s viewpoint as a support of an individual is, at > most awful. > > The letter, I think, represent the danger in our media environment. The > author should meet Jimmy. > > > > On 27 May 2011 12:20, Dominic Tweedie <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> Dear Cde Gugu, >> >> Now that you are "out" as a Manyi supporter, could you please motivate why >> we as SACP members, or just as plain ANC members, should support this >> capitalist businessman Manyi as a cabinet spokesperson, regardless of what >> he has said or not said about coloured people or about Trevor Manuel's >> candidacy for the position of head of the IMF? >> >> I mean, what is his track record in the movement, if any? Because all I >> know is that he has a business career behind him and as far as I know he has >> never confessed to any involvement in the mass movement, let alone the >> vanguard. >> >> >> VC >> >> >> >> >> >> On 27 May 2011 12:07, Gugu Ndima <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I agree, >>> >>> but overall, I really think that people have become opportunistic in >>> attacking Jimmy, his assertion on certain issues in gov have been >>> misconstrued as arrogance..... >>> >>> I think he has a certain way of dealing with matters and people should >>> stop reducing that to slaunder >>> >>> >>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Musa Nikani <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Gugu! >>>> >>>> I have read this piece and found it to belong to the PR class of first >>>> years as a Task to be submitted for a Year Mark. We have more things to >>>> focus on, this is nonsense. I have confidence in President JZ he will >>>> respond as the author acknowledged in his piece and i quote"Honorable >>>> president let me again apologise for wasting your time I’m sure >>>> you have more commitments and engagements as head of state,". I cant put >>>> facts on this; i wish there was something to discuss; unfortunately its >>>> empty.Thank u. >>>> >>>> >>> Gugu Ndima <[email protected]> 05/27/11 11:30 AM >>> >>>> Guys, >>>> >>>> See below, what is your take and I really think people are just out to >>>> get >>>> Comrade Jimmy Manyi? >>>> >>>> Gugu >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> OPEN LETTER TO PRESIDENT JACOB GEDLEYIHLEKISA ZUMA >>>> DEAR: Honorable president >>>> DATE: 27 May 2011 >>>> >>>> I’m sorry to bother you at a time when you just concluded your long and >>>> tiring local government elections campaigns, as well you dealing with >>>> the >>>> recent crisis in Libya including the returning of veteran photographer >>>> Anton >>>> Hammerl’s corpse to his mother land and of course running our beloved >>>> nation. >>>> >>>> Mr. President I write this letter to inform of you as a patriotic >>>> citizen of >>>> South Africa, former journalist, communication practitioner and a leader >>>> of >>>> youth and students of this nation. This letter solemnly intends to >>>> kindly >>>> request you to save the communication industry from disgrace and >>>> blasphemy >>>> fuelled by one of your appointees who is Mr. Jimmy Manyi head of >>>> government >>>> communications and information services (GCIS), who also becomes >>>> spokesperson of the cabinet you preside. >>>> Let me first indicate that I hold nothing against Mr. Manyi but I >>>> strongly >>>> hold contrary views on most of his views in dealing with issues of >>>> national >>>> interest like race. I also hold a legitimate view that he is not a >>>> suitable >>>> person to speak on decisions and views of your epitome cabinet >>>> especially >>>> with his recent conspicuous attacks on journalists and media in general. >>>> In 2010 speaking as president of black management forum (BMF) he said “I >>>> think it's very important for coloured people in this country to >>>> understand >>>> that South Africa belongs to them in totality not just the Western Cape. >>>> So >>>> this over-concentration of coloureds in the Western Cape is not working >>>> for >>>> them. They should spread in the rest of the country... so they must stop >>>> this over-concentration situation because they are in over-supply where >>>> they >>>> are so you must look into the country and see where you can meet the >>>> supply”. >>>> It’s true he said this outside the scope and the position he holds in >>>> government, however with strong racial and affirmative action policies >>>> your >>>> cabinet represents a person who has wittingly contravened and deterred >>>> the >>>> values and ethos of a rainbow nation and prosperous South Africa should >>>> be >>>> punished without consideration. I’m also disappointed about the fact >>>> that >>>> you kept mum on this when it was in the public which raised eyebrows in >>>> most >>>> corners of society about your views on this matter, however I believe >>>> you >>>> one amongst many who fought and still strive against racial >>>> discrimination >>>> and hate with the contempt it deserves. >>>> In March 2011 he called a media briefing to announce that there is an >>>> upcoming government newspaper because of these reasons I quote “The >>>> media is >>>> censoring a lot of government information, Niyasivusa ukuba sizenzele >>>> [You >>>> are waking us up to do things ourselves]." I have nothing against >>>> government >>>> propaganda machinery but it should not be brought about using the media >>>> as >>>> scapegoat, especially with the constitutional democracy we all embrace >>>> and >>>> known for. He is totally missing the fundamental points of the nature >>>> and >>>> character of media operations; he is not playing the game but the man. >>>> >>>> In the most recent incident he calls a media briefing to read out a >>>> statement of two lines regarding the vacant position of international >>>> monetary fund (IMF), to make matters worse he refuses to deliberate and >>>> be >>>> engaged by journalist present at a briefing and chose to bully and shrug >>>> off >>>> his ego. This ising his major stakeholders (media), maybe is the people >>>> surrounding >>>> him who are misleading him but that’s beside the point I’m making. Mr. >>>> President these are basics for any media personnel, I’m sure even a >>>> first >>>> year in my university knows this by now. In fact he should first >>>> apologise >>>> to the whole nation, before you do the honorable thing of removing him >>>> as >>>> your cabinet spokesperson. >>>> In the main I request with many other fellow South Africans who share >>>> the >>>> same sentiments like me about Mr. Manyi and what he represents and >>>> stands >>>> for. I further call upon that you ensure us who are fond of media >>>> freedom >>>> and uphold constitutional democracy that you quickly work on revamping >>>> and >>>> overhauling the entire communication strategies and channel’s your >>>> government and cabinet is currently using. This because I believe they >>>> do >>>> not meet international standards and the syllabus taught to >>>> communicators >>>> currently in South African universities and media institutions is way >>>> contrary to cabinets understanding of communication, maybe if you could >>>> appoint and employ qualified communicators and strategisers would >>>> probably >>>> be singing a different tune now. >>>> Honorable president let me again apologise for wasting your time I’m >>>> sure >>>> you have more commitments and engagements as head of state, but I urge >>>> you >>>> take contents of this letter serious and into consideration as it >>>> represents >>>> views of many who could not write a letter. >>>> I wish you well in your future endeavors >>>> Masilela Zwelo >>>> (Pretoria South Africa) >>>> For more info: [email protected] >>>> 071 912 4680 >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Gugu Ndima >>>> +27 76 783 1516 >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You are subscribed. 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