VC u hates Mbeki n Malema with passion. Sent from my iPhone
On 04 Sep 2011, at 8:31 PM, Dominic Tweedie <[email protected]> wrote: > > Because Mogoeng Mogoeng is not a yes-man. > > Jacob Zuma does not need yes-men, but TM did need yes-men. > > Some of the media pundits try to say nowadays that there should be > "leadership", as if there is no programme. At the same time they ignore the > five priorities and everything that is being done. > > The "leadership" that they mean is central control of the TM kind. But JZ is > not like that. Which is why we want a JZ and not a TM. > > In the JZ world we are at liberty to be what we can be, and a Mogoeng Mogoeng > can come to the fore without fear of jealousy from his own leader. > > > VC > > > > On 4 September 2011 20:33, <[email protected]> wrote: > Am also interested to know > Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! > > From: [email protected] > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 18:20:18 +0000 > To: <[email protected]> > ReplyTo: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: e: [CU] Zuma has a plan for youth > > Why VC do you say that?? > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device > > From: Dominic Tweedie <[email protected]> > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 20:18:02 +0200 > To: <[email protected]> > ReplyTo: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: e: [CU] Zuma has a plan for youth > > > Thabo Mbeki would not be likely to appoint somebody like Mogoeng Mogoeng, but > Jacob Zuma can. > > VC > > > On 4 September 2011 19:55, Mthubanzi Mniki <[email protected]> wrote: > Can someone categoricaly tell me the difference between the leadership of the > current ANC president, Jacob Zuma and former president Thabo Mbeki. Please > maqabane understand that this is not a question to suggest anything, this is > just an honest question. Can you assist Maqabane. > > > ---------- > Sent via Nokia Email > > ------Original message------ > From: Petunia <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]>,"yclsa-eom-forum" > <[email protected]> > Date: Sunday, September 4, 2011 5:02:24 PM GMT+0000 > Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: [CU] Zuma has a plan for youth > > Thanks cde, > Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Thamsanqa Tu <[email protected]> > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 18:35:17 > To: yclsa-eom-forum<[email protected]>; > communist-university<[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Subject: [CU] Zuma has a plan for youth > > I find it interesting that this City Press story has not made it into > these forums today: > > Zuma has a plan for youth > > By: Piet Rampedi, Paddy Harper and Mandy Rossouw > 2011-09-04 10:00 > > President Jacob Zuma and his allies plan to take over the leadership > of the ANC Youth League as soon as next week. > > Seven inside sources told City Press that Zuma plans to dissolve youth > leader Julius Malema’s executive and replace it with a 25-member > group, called the “interim leadership core”, by the end of October as > part of the ANC’s 2012 succession battle. > > Zuma will tell the national working committee, expected to meet > tomorrow, that the youth league cannot continue with its top leaders > stuck in disciplinary hearings. An interim structure is needed, he > will argue. > > The decision needs to be finalised by the national executive committee > (NEC) which constitutionally has the power to disband any ANC > structure. > > Two youth leaders, an ANC national executive committee (NEC) member, > a provincial leader and three well-placed sources close to Zuma’s > allies said the ANC leader had been convinced by his confidants that > he could no longer “co-exist” with Malema. > > The plan included packing the interim structure with youth leaders > purged or suspended by Malema from the league. It would be led by > Limpopo youth leader Julius Malema as national convener and ANCYL > Eastern Cape chairperson Ayanda Matiti as secretary-general. > > The plan is for provincial and regional structures to be disbanded > and replaced with interim structures before a conference is held by > June next year, in time for next year’s conference. > > An ANC leader, who is neither sympathetic to Zuma nor Malema, said he > was aware of the plan. “Malema is going to be suspended or expelled. > Zuma’s people told him he needs to win or lose 2012 now. > > “Zuma is clever and won’t contest the conference if he knows he’s > going to lose. That is why he’s going for Malema.” > > A provincial ANC leader added: “Zuma has been convinced that he can no > longer co-exist with this boy (Malema). It’s either him, as president > of the ANC and the country, leading without being undermined or it’s > Julius.” > > Two youth leaders told City Press they had been approached about > serving in the interim group in case Malema was suspended. > > “The national working committee will check the relevance of the > league’s leadership nationally because of what is happening in the > country, such as the burning of flags, and make a final decision,” one > youth leader said. > > The sources said Malema’s nemesis Lehlogonolo Masoga was the initial > favourite to lead the interim group, but had since been ruled out > because he failed to appeal his dismissal from the league. > > Gauteng league leader Lebogang Maile was no longer an option because > the Zuma camp suspected him of having struck a deal with Malema. > > This entailed Maile withdrawing from the league’s recent presidential > race in exchange for the inclusion of his ally, ANC Gauteng > chairperson Paul Mashatile, in the league’s top six candidates as > national chairperson at the 2012 conference at Mangaung. > > For its part, the Malema camp has launched a counter-strategy that > includes approaching former president Thabo Mbeki to stand for the > position of ANC national chairperson to get rid of Zuma. > > Two ANC sources in KwaZulu-Natal said they had heard rumours that the > ANCYL and its backers had approached Mbeki to stand. > > “We’ve heard that they have been talking to Mbeki to try get him to > come back as chairperson to build the profile of their slate and add > capacity,” said one source. “This does seem to fit in with their > comments around Mbeki’s presidency, the wearing of Mbeki T-shirts and > the comparisons of the two presidents raised by the league.” > > A source with knowledge of the discussions said that the league > leadership will need to bring Mbeki’s nomination to the league NEC – > where it will meet “massive resistance”. “If they propose him, we > won’t accept that . . . That man will bring back all the things that > made us kick him out. We will reverse the gains of Polokwane.” > > According to the source there are only three candidates for the > national chairperson position – incumbent Baleka Mbete, Mashatile or > Cosatu general secretary Zwelinzima Vavi. > > A Luthuli House official said it is clear the league is making > overtures to Mbeki. “They are sending messages saying they will be > the foot soldiers if he fights Zuma.” > > There is doubt about whether Mbeki would accept such an offer. > > “Mbeki is one of those people who have intelligence; I doubt he will > soil his hands,” the official said. > > Mbeki’s spokesperson Mukoni Ratshitanga told City Press he was not > aware of approaches to Mbeki, who he understood was “out of South > African politics for good”. > City Press > -- > Kind Regards, > Thamsanqa Tu > > If you tremble indignation at every injustice then you're a comrade of > mine - Enersto Che Guevara > > -- > You are subscribed to the "Communist University" e-mail forum. > The group site is at http://groups-beta.google.com/group/Communist-University > The Communist University blog at http://domza.blogspot.com/ and our wikispace > web site is at http://amadlandawonye.wikispaces.com/ > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]; or e-mail > [email protected] > > -- > You are subscribed. 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