But before JZ has plan for youth....now...What its plan of youth in SA?and claer achievable and has being implemented...bcoz in my view..NYDA its just a mess,YL fails to give a clear programmatic and political direction, Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!
-----Original Message----- From: Thabang Ngcozela <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 23:39:27 To: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: e: [CU] Zuma has a plan for youth all the state institutions in a capitalist society are in service of the capitalist ruling class. Why waste time arguing about the supreme judge when we should be talking how best we can organise as the working class agaist the capitalist system. Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: e: [CU] Zuma has a plan for youth To: [email protected] From: [email protected] Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 18:56:17 +0000 I did expect your response Gugu...lol.. U r bitter abt me and VC giving direction..lol..miss u too vha? Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device From: [email protected] Sender: [email protected] Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 19:04:00 +0000To: <[email protected]>ReplyTo: [email protected] Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: e: [CU] Zuma has a plan for youth U out of order maan Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! From: [email protected] Sender: [email protected] Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 18:52:06 +0000To: <[email protected]>ReplyTo: [email protected] Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: e: [CU] Zuma has a plan for youth Thanx VC... Gugu, had I not asked when were u gonna ask?? Comrades, Plz the VC n I can't think for u all the time..lol Madala Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device From: Dominic Tweedie <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 20:31:25 +0200To: <[email protected]>ReplyTo: [email protected] Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: e: [CU] Zuma has a plan for youth Because Mogoeng Mogoeng is not a yes-man. Jacob Zuma does not need yes-men, but TM did need yes-men. Some of the media pundits try to say nowadays that there should be "leadership", as if there is no programme. At the same time they ignore the five priorities and everything that is being done. The "leadership" that they mean is central control of the TM kind. But JZ is not like that. Which is why we want a JZ and not a TM. In the JZ world we are at liberty to be what we can be, and a Mogoeng Mogoeng can come to the fore without fear of jealousy from his own leader. VC On 4 September 2011 20:33, <[email protected]> wrote: Am also interested to know Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! From: [email protected] Sender: [email protected] Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 18:20:18 +0000To: <[email protected]> ReplyTo: [email protected] Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: e: [CU] Zuma has a plan for youth Why VC do you say that?? Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device From: Dominic Tweedie <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 20:18:02 +0200To: <[email protected]>ReplyTo: [email protected] Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: e: [CU] Zuma has a plan for youth Thabo Mbeki would not be likely to appoint somebody like Mogoeng Mogoeng, but Jacob Zuma can. VC On 4 September 2011 19:55, Mthubanzi Mniki <[email protected]> wrote: Can someone categoricaly tell me the difference between the leadership of the current ANC president, Jacob Zuma and former president Thabo Mbeki. Please maqabane understand that this is not a question to suggest anything, this is just an honest question. Can you assist Maqabane. ---------- Sent via Nokia Email ------Original message------ From: Petunia <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>,"yclsa-eom-forum" <[email protected]> Date: Sunday, September 4, 2011 5:02:24 PM GMT+0000 Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: [CU] Zuma has a plan for youth Thanks cde, Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -----Original Message----- From: Thamsanqa Tu <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 18:35:17 To: yclsa-eom-forum<[email protected]>; communist-university<[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Subject: [CU] Zuma has a plan for youth I find it interesting that this City Press story has not made it into these forums today: Zuma has a plan for youth By: Piet Rampedi, Paddy Harper and Mandy Rossouw 2011-09-04 10:00 President Jacob Zuma and his allies plan to take over the leadership of the ANC Youth League as soon as next week. Seven inside sources told City Press that Zuma plans to dissolve youth leader Julius Malema’s executive and replace it with a 25-member group, called the “interim leadership core”, by the end of October as part of the ANC’s 2012 succession battle. Zuma will tell the national working committee, expected to meet tomorrow, that the youth league cannot continue with its top leaders stuck in disciplinary hearings. An interim structure is needed, he will argue. The decision needs to be finalised by the national executive committee (NEC) which constitutionally has the power to disband any ANC structure. Two youth leaders, an ANC national executive committee (NEC) member, a provincial leader and three well-placed sources close to Zuma’s allies said the ANC leader had been convinced by his confidants that he could no longer “co-exist” with Malema. The plan included packing the interim structure with youth leaders purged or suspended by Malema from the league. It would be led by Limpopo youth leader Julius Malema as national convener and ANCYL Eastern Cape chairperson Ayanda Matiti as secretary-general. The plan is for provincial and regional structures to be disbanded and replaced with interim structures before a conference is held by June next year, in time for next year’s conference. An ANC leader, who is neither sympathetic to Zuma nor Malema, said he was aware of the plan. “Malema is going to be suspended or expelled. Zuma’s people told him he needs to win or lose 2012 now. “Zuma is clever and won’t contest the conference if he knows he’s going to lose. That is why he’s going for Malema.” A provincial ANC leader added: “Zuma has been convinced that he can no longer co-exist with this boy (Malema). It’s either him, as president of the ANC and the country, leading without being undermined or it’s Julius.” Two youth leaders told City Press they had been approached about serving in the interim group in case Malema was suspended. “The national working committee will check the relevance of the league’s leadership nationally because of what is happening in the country, such as the burning of flags, and make a final decision,” one youth leader said. The sources said Malema’s nemesis Lehlogonolo Masoga was the initial favourite to lead the interim group, but had since been ruled out because he failed to appeal his dismissal from the league. Gauteng league leader Lebogang Maile was no longer an option because the Zuma camp suspected him of having struck a deal with Malema. This entailed Maile withdrawing from the league’s recent presidential race in exchange for the inclusion of his ally, ANC Gauteng chairperson Paul Mashatile, in the league’s top six candidates as national chairperson at the 2012 conference at Mangaung. For its part, the Malema camp has launched a counter-strategy that includes approaching former president Thabo Mbeki to stand for the position of ANC national chairperson to get rid of Zuma. Two ANC sources in KwaZulu-Natal said they had heard rumours that the ANCYL and its backers had approached Mbeki to stand. “We’ve heard that they have been talking to Mbeki to try get him to come back as chairperson to build the profile of their slate and add capacity,” said one source. “This does seem to fit in with their comments around Mbeki’s presidency, the wearing of Mbeki T-shirts and the comparisons of the two presidents raised by the league.” A source with knowledge of the discussions said that the league leadership will need to bring Mbeki’s nomination to the league NEC – where it will meet “massive resistance”. “If they propose him, we won’t accept that . . . That man will bring back all the things that made us kick him out. We will reverse the gains of Polokwane.” According to the source there are only three candidates for the national chairperson position – incumbent Baleka Mbete, Mashatile or Cosatu general secretary Zwelinzima Vavi. A Luthuli House official said it is clear the league is making overtures to Mbeki. “They are sending messages saying they will be the foot soldiers if he fights Zuma.” There is doubt about whether Mbeki would accept such an offer. “Mbeki is one of those people who have intelligence; I doubt he will soil his hands,” the official said. Mbeki’s spokesperson Mukoni Ratshitanga told City Press he was not aware of approaches to Mbeki, who he understood was “out of South African politics for good”. City Press -- Kind Regards, Thamsanqa Tu If you tremble indignation at every injustice then you're a comrade of mine - Enersto Che Guevara -- You are subscribed to the "Communist University" e-mail forum. 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