Cde let us not belabour what you said.I advise you cde that in future ,you must carefully select what you are going to post.None of the allied formations is prohibited to air its views,Cosatu is a separate organisation,same as Sacp both can take different position in any matter,that does not make any of the allied formations populist.This also applies to ANC &its leagues.What is important cde is what is uniting us than what is dividing us. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device
-----Original Message----- From: Thobela Mahijana <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 12:24:33 To: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] COSATU’s position on Justic e Mogoeng wrong - Mantashe Cde Tyatyantsim I will never be anti Cosatu at any given time cadre, rest assured, and im not suffering from any mental illness. Cosatu has a right to take any decision on any position, but this new tendency of bashing SACP and ANC in public about issues they could have consulted the ANC or the Party is populist its not revolutionary, they should refrain from that and they always support the right wing elements, may be they lost confidence on Msholozi. On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 10:32 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > **Is it populist stance when Cosatu did not recomend appointment of > CJ.Cosatu is on record that it supports leadership of Polokwane. It was > Cosatu that pronounced on leadership of JZ before it was > fashionable.Remember after the then President T Mbeki relieved JZ,Cosatu > structures pronounced and vociferously campaigned for JZ maybe cde you are > suffering from amnesia or you are anti Cosatu. > > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device > ------------------------------ > *From: *Thobela Mahijana <[email protected]> > *Sender: *[email protected] > *Date: *Tue, 6 Sep 2011 08:23:14 +0200 > *To: *<[email protected]> > *ReplyTo: *[email protected] > *Subject: *Re: [YCLSA Discussion] COSATU’s position on Justic e Mogoeng > wrong - Mantashe > > I agree with cde Gwede about the stand of Cosatu on Justice Mogoeng issue, > and that those who oppose the selection of Mogoeng > > are against President Zuma not the person opointed, Cosatu must refrain > from this and is not the first time our leaders in Cosatu make > > these populist statement unnecesarily, just for them to be seen deffering > with the views of the ANC where such is not neccesary. > > On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 7:48 AM, Dominic Tweedie <[email protected] > > wrote: > >> >> [image: Business Day] >> >> >> *ANC wants ‘Malema culprits’ identified * >> ** ** >> ** ** >> *Setumo Stone and Sibongakonke Shoba, Business Day, Johannesburg, 6 >> September 2011* >> ** ** >> THE African National Congress (ANC) has instructed its provincial leaders >> to track down the "culprits" who travelled to Johannesburg last week to >> protest outside Luthuli House in support of ANC Youth League leader Julius >> Malema.**** >> ** ** >> This emerged yesterday when the ANC’s provincial leadership in the North >> West read out a statement — which they said was a joint initiative with >> Luthuli House — threatening action against those involved in the pro-Julius >> Malema demonstrations.**** >> ** ** >> The move could indicate that the ANC leadership is tightening its grip on >> the party ahead of a showdown with the youth league president who, along >> with five others, faces charges of bringing the ANC into disrepute.**** >> ** ** >> "The provincial executive committee will use all means at (its) disposal >> to ensure the culprits of these hideous acts are brought to book," >> provincial secretary Kabelo Mataboge said at a media briefing in Mafikeng. >> "We call upon the general membership of the ANC with knowledge of these >> occurrences and culprits thereof to approach the structures of the >> organisation."**** >> ** ** >> Last night ANC secretary-general Gwede Mantashe defended the decision to >> charge its youth wing leaders, saying it was the leaders’ duty to restore >> discipline in the party. "We must do that in line with the culture and the >> rules of the movement."**** >> ** ** >> Mr Mantashe said the ANC’s national working committee, which met >> yesterday, had condemned the protest, concluding it was "uncalled for and >> calculated to undermine the internal organisational processes to uphold >> disciplined conduct of its members".**** >> ** ** >> The committee also condemned the burning of T-shirts bearing President >> Jacob Zuma 's face.**** >> ** ** >> At a congress of the Food and Allied Workers Union Mr Mantashe also urged >> members to swell the ranks of the ANC to protect it from elite groups with >> power and money. "Those with money create bookmakers. You cannot run a >> liberation movement through bookmakers."**** >> ** ** >> Mr Mantashe said the aim of those who wanted leadership change was to >> install leaders who would create space for self-enrichment.**** >> ** ** >> He also criticised the Congress of South African Trade Unions (Cosatu), >> saying its objection to Justice Mogoeng Mogoeng’s nomination for the chief >> justice post was a proxy war against Mr Zuma.**** >> ** ** >> Mr Mantashe said Justice Mogoeng’s nomination was a correct decision. >> "That fight about Mogoeng has nothing to do with Mogoeng. It is a proxy war >> against Zuma, the president of the ANC."**** >> ** ** >> *Cosatu’s position on Justice Mogoeng was wrong, Mr Mantashe said.* He >> also made reference to alliance forces that sought to undermine any decision >> taken by the ANC. "They want to prove to the world that Zuma can’t take >> proper decisions but he continues to surprise them."**** >> ** ** >> Earlier in the day South African Communist Party deputy general secretary >> Jeremy Cronin called on the ANC to act "firmly" against the leadership of >> its youth league. "The ANC must provide leadership. It must assert its >> authority … they (the youth league leaders) must be taught with firmness." >> **** >> ** ** >> Without mentioning names, Mr Cronin said the ANC must deal with people who >> undermined the party’s principle of nonracialism.**** >> ** ** >> One of the charges Mr Malema is facing is that he referred to white people >> as thieves during an election rally this year.**** >> ** ** >> Mr Cronin said anyone who did not uphold the principle of nonracialism >> "does not belong in our alliance". He said the league was part of >> anticommunist forces, including demagogues and populists who spoke the >> language of the left.**** >> ** ** >> "These people talk of nationalisation without understanding the mining >> sector, without talking to the National Union of Mineworkers."**** >> ** ** >> Mr Mataboge said support for Mr Malema and the protests outside Luthuli >> House were a "noble cause that was hijacked by forces that might not even >> identify with the youth league or the ANC". >> ** ** >> *With additional reporting by Sam Mkokeli* >> ** ** >> ** ** >> *From: http://www.businessday.co.za/articles/Content.aspx?id=152567* >> * * >> * * >> * * >> >> -- >> You are subscribed. 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