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On 01 Mar 2012, at 6:27 PM, [email protected] wrote: > Oh may I remind you that its actually the "ANC" that has to do that and > Cosatu is reminding us that this is something that we committed to. . .Cosatu > is not in government, however we should never undermine its effort to > transform the lives of workers and influence policy ! > > Are u saying its wasting time tomorrow? > Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! > From: [email protected] > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 19:02:01 +0000 > To: <[email protected]> > ReplyTo: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] ANC Calls for a Peaceful COSATU Protest > > Comrades, > We are not naïve here maan, the issues that COSATU is raising are genuine. No > one is disputing that, however we must also at times apply honesty, it won't > be long before the very same COSATU shouts: "Let's allow due processes to > unfold. And who knows how long that will be for? Can I be given 1, just 1 > example of a scenario, in the past 18 months where COSATU has actually > challenged Government and actually followed through in advancing the demands > of workers? > > We can discuss till we become blue in the face, reality is: Workers are not > taken seriously. Let's talk after 6-12 months and see whether the strike will > effectively END labour brokering. > * Note END and NOT REGULATE* > Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! > From: [email protected] > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 15:48:33 +0000 > To: <[email protected]> > ReplyTo: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] ANC Calls for a Peaceful COSATU Protest > > So because of that argument let's not march against labour brokers?? Do u > have any inclination of the impact of labour brokers in corporate SA ? > > Last month I had three women that came to my office, one 8 months pregnant > who was dismissed without notice , working under a labour broker at SAB! Now > Mr beloved vanguard, must I tell those women that labour broking is there to > stay and they should live with it . And that if they were to decide to join > the march, its best they stay away because the "federation" leading this > march is mischievous and has alterior motives. In other words you are telling > me that we are leaderless and that there is no worker's voice; that is > exactly how I interpret your statement. > > Your bone of contention is evidently with Cosatu leadership and some > skeletons you seem to be better inclined with. I on the other hand sincerely > believe labour brokers should be scrapped and the e-tolling system will have > long term financial implications. The Minister of transport ten years from > now will probably still feel the pinch from where I sit > Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! > From: [email protected] > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 18:25:49 +0000 > To: <[email protected]> > ReplyTo: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] ANC Calls for a Peaceful COSATU Protest > > Gugu! > > Let's await placards and comments of ordinarily members, then you would > realize the impact made by shopstewards against ANC. Labour Broking does not > differs from shopstewards exploiting its members through various forms of > exploitation its hot out there at shopfloor! > > Check out Nehawu, Denosa and Sadtu! > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device > From: [email protected] > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 15:30:49 +0000 > To: <[email protected]> > ReplyTo: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] ANC Calls for a Peaceful COSATU Protest > > Am not saying that, > > Its not even about the ANCYL! My question is, Cosatu has had this march > planned for a while now-should it stop on the grounds of paranoia within the > MDM???????? > Yes there are issues within the Alliance but fact is Labour broking is a > detrimental issue and e-tollings will have an impact on the cost of living in > SA . . . The YCL has come out in support of the march must we view them with > suspicion??? It seems like you conveniently forgetting the constituency we > serve!! Do you think our factional battles and petty politicking is what's on > their minds right now??? People are being exploited in the retail sector, > construction, mining through labour broking and all you choose to bicker > about is the "supposed" political motives? If there are WHO's fault is it?? > Why is the Alliance not sitting and discussing it???? > Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! > From: [email protected] > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 20:06:46 +0000 > To: <[email protected]> > ReplyTo: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] ANC Calls for a Peaceful COSATU Protest > > Cadre Gugu, > > Does that mean it must go on a collision course with the ANC? > Cde Gugu, I need not remind you that the ANC is the ruling party and the > ANCYL is its youth wing. > > There is something fishy about this whole thing. I smell a rat somewhere > here. It looks like some people want to fulfill their interests at the poor > worker's expense. > Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! > From: [email protected] > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 17:57:22 +0000 > To: <[email protected]> > ReplyTo: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] ANC Calls for a Peaceful COSATU Protest > > Cde Gugu > > Not exactly! The thing is aspects raised by COSATU are genuine but behind > such there are political issues which won't find public platform so this > March is not going to achieve its objects due to opportune leaders of COSATU. > > Historically and by charater workers needs to confront its employers like in > many cases SADTU, NUMSA and SAMWU did and strike breakers were same COSATU > Office Bearers and recent action at Rustenburg clearly shows that workers no > longer have confidence on Federation, many affiliates lose membership to > opposing trade union thanks to Vavi!! > > I remain > > Vanguard. > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device > From: [email protected] > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 14:58:11 +0000 > To: <[email protected]> > ReplyTo: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] ANC Calls for a Peaceful COSATU Protest > > Vanguard are u implying that the march is mere opportunism and there are no > genuine issues raised? > > Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! > From: [email protected] > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 17:41:26 +0000 > To: <[email protected]> > ReplyTo: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] ANC Calls for a Peaceful COSATU Protest > > Of-Course Peaceful! > > COSATU finds itself in dilemma the invitation its a way of accepting that > 2015 Plan does not bear any fruits, precisely that some members don't want > anything to do with politics but issues of workers. > > COSATU at Western Cape has lost to DA cause if its about political party they > would not form part of Marches. Sadly we are in alliance but it was well > calculated move by Vavi whilst also exposing his opportunistic elements in > disguise of championing interest of workers. > > I guess COSATU was going to gain members from such Marches. And what would be > witnessed is confrontations on the marches cause COSATU get comfort to > redicule ANC now its clear that those ANC members joining COSATU would > subject themselves to ANC calling and they won't tolerated hooligans to > direct the March. > > We would March being reduced to something else I bet DA would be laughing and > soon Vavi would be exposed cause Karl Marx warned us long before! > > I pause > > Vanguard! > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device > From: [email protected] > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 17:04:09 +0000 > To: <[email protected]> > ReplyTo: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] ANC Calls for a Peaceful COSATU Protest > > Haaike the one of DA iya confusser nge mpela ke... > > What's going on here??? The Party in Gauteng supported e-tolling and now it's > joining... Am I lost or what??? > > Assist me guys... > > ANCYL,SADTU, COSATU,DA, SACP n ANC all involved in one march, one way or > another... > > Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! > From: [email protected] > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 14:20:36 +0000 > To: <[email protected]> > ReplyTo: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] ANC Calls for a Peaceful COSATU Protest > > Trying to figure that out too -so as ANC members we shouldn't be part of the > strike ? > Just seeking clarity > Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! > From: [email protected] > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 16:50:34 +0000 > To: <[email protected]> > ReplyTo: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] ANC Calls for a Peaceful COSATU Protest > > So in essence, ANC disagrees with the march or what??? > Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! > From: VC <[email protected]> > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2012 18:16:42 +0200 > To: <[email protected]> > ReplyTo: [email protected] > Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] ANC Calls for a Peaceful COSATU Protest > > > <ANC no letters.jpg> > > > ANC Calls for a Peaceful Protest by COSATU > > > The African National Congress (ANC) calls on all those who will be embarking > on a protest action organised by COSATU, tomorrow, the 7th March 2012, > against e-tolling and labour brokers, to respect the rights of all those who > will not be participating in the protest action. We also call on COSATU and > all the protestors to ensure that this protest action is peaceful and in > keeping with the laws of our country. > Whilst we acknowledge protest as a right, the ANC is of the view that the > concerns raised by COSATU on the negative impact of tolling of roads on > people who earning less is over exaggerated, especially after government > intervention on the matter. > > We believe that the intervention announced by the Minister of Finance, Pravin > Gordhan, during the Budget speech this year, on the Gauteng Freeway > Improvement Programme, will go a long way to alleviate financial pressure on > the poor and the working class of our country. This matter has been address > with the exemption of public transport ( taxis and buses) from paying the > toll costs. We are happy that the government has made this concession which > mitigates the pressure that would have been borne by this category of low > wage earners. > > The Minister of Finance announced a special appropriation of R5.8 billion for > the 2011/2012 expenditure. This will reduce the debt to be repaid through > the toll system, and will make a steeper discount possible for regular road > users, which includes the working force who use their cars including small > and medium entrepreneurs. The cap of monthly tool fees payment to a maximum > of R550, no matter how many trips a motorist undertakes on the toll route, is > again a clear indication of the government intention to minimise the burden > on the part of consumers. For all these reasons therefore, it is the ANC > absolute view that the protest action is unnecessary, but we nonetheless > respect the right of those who want to protest. > > On the issue of labour brokers, as one of the issues that necessitate this > protest, we are of the view that there are relevant structures, such as the > National Economic Development and Labour Council ( Nedlac), were Organised > Labour, including COSATU, has a seat and influence were such issues can be > discussed and resolved. As the ANC, we are hopeful and confident that > through the NEDLAC process a solution will be found on this matter of labour > brokers. > > Issued by: > Jackson Mthembu > ANC National Spokesperson > > African National Congress > 54 Sauer Street > Johannesburg > 2001 > > 06th February 2012 > -- You are subscribed. This footer can help you. Please POST your comments to [email protected] or reply to this message. 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