You were correct in your overall statments, just wrong in your
assessment of the Ubuntu (Ubuntu 6.06) versions - and No they are not
just the debian ones.
G++
On 28-Jun-06, at 6:11 PM, Derick Centeno wrote:
Sorry Gavin:
It is difficult to understand what you are saying. You are saying
I'm correct and then later I'm incorrect?
Let's settle this the easy way, ok?
Go to Debian's own website (their official press release) and read
the details here:
http://www.debian.org/News/2005/20050606
What you are referring to Gavin are updates to the standard
release, which is done by individuals and piecemeal. And as any
experienced Linux user knows that is what everybody does no matter
what distribution one uses, except for YDL. And why is that an
important difference?
Well TSS, believes (their performance demonstrates this) that as
people are paying for TSS's service it consistently puts it's
standard release way far ahead of everyone else's standard release
AND insures that these packages work together. Now that's a big
difference, yes?
Let me be clear, I do respect the efforts of the non-commercial
community and I'm well aware of their fans and their respective
values. However, there is a big difference between what I expect
in the quality of what I pay for and what I expect for "free". I
for one am very lenient with free open source software and the
attitudes of some programmers who confuse themselves as deities.
So when I find ridiculous coding errors in kernel source or
elsewhere I make note of it but in my situation I've never had to
bother reporting it because TSS invariably leap frogs over everyone
else's versions -- regularly and consistently -- they've done so
for years, since their first product. I know because I bought and
used it then and I use YDL 4.1 now.
Now let me be clear about this because we are all rather busy doing
something, and really there is no argument here.
Linux is about individuals making highly complex and technical
choices. Not something the mass majority is really used to by the
way. Some distributions are better than others in the kind of face
and support structure they build around their version of Linux.
This is no surprise and is quite a wonderful thing. However, when
the details and technicalities really matter -- and one needs a
certain level of standard performance because one is engaged in
some detailed and technical work of their own research interests or
with a government or private lab -- one needs assurance that solid
reliability of every standard package in a release is actually
there. Well, this is where commercial entities shine and of them,
what TSS has done and continues to do today, is not insignificant.
Let's allow everyone the level of respect they have actually
earned, shall we?
Derick.
On Jun 28, 2006, at 2:10 PM, Gavin Hemphill wrote:
Derrick:
what you say is correct. As a user of both YDL and Ubuntu I need
to point out that the information you provide on Ubuntu is
incorrect. Currently Ubuntu uses the following:
Kernel 2.6.15
Gnome 2.14
KDE 4.3.5
X.org 7.0
and Firefox 1.5
G++
On 28-Jun-06, at 12:35 PM, Derick Centeno wrote:
Hi Ted:
You are probably very well aware how tricky your question is.
One way to interpret your question is that you expect TSS to
provide the latest available KDE environment? By the way, isn't
that the job of the KDE folks themselves? Remember that KDE,
like many other Linux projects are comprised of volunteers. TSS
is a commercial entity.
Some projects are better organized and current than others,
likewise for commercial entities. Where they differ is at what
point the commercial entities decide to move ahead in choosing
what will go into their respective commercial products and why.
Each commercial company makes their own decisions regarding how
much longer they will wait for a certain project to be complete
as a version. Occasionally a project will be moving to a newer
version just at or after a point where a company had to decide to
move and use what was already available as their product's
usefulness in the market place is recognized as maximal within a
certain time frame. Each company maximizes the utility of their
product for a certain market place. It may be that users of that
product may also see value in a company production, but usually
these users (you and I) have different values of what that value
is than the company or other corporate associates are even aware
of. Our own contribution, or wrinkle to the above are our
choices regarding what we as individuals want. If we want
something, fortunately we can create or get it ourselves.
Exploring this is interesting because it can help highlight the
value TSS or any other commercial entity provides in comparison
to Debian and others.
Let's look at some distributions, ok?
Linux kernel KDE Gnome
X.org Firefox and Thunderbird
YDL 4.1 2.6.15-rc5 3.4.2 2.10
6.8.2 1.5 1.5
Debian 3.1 2.6.8 3.3
2.8 1.0.4 1.0.2
Ubuntu They are built upon Debian (we can consider
this the same for them).
I provided the information regarding Ubuntu and Debian because
they are known to users of this list as well. You could research
beyond this with commercial vendors and others but I believe it
is enough. It is true that one can install, and modify the
standard package provided to whatever is current, but the dirty
secret is that packages are provided so that they work together.
I rather have advanced packages which work together already at
boot, thank you. I'll mix and match on my own from that point.
Maybe the link here can help:
http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/showcase/customers/
Choose any one of the icons, and remember to take a look at Indi
-- for Individuals.
Whatever you decide, you can always participate here.
Good Luck...
On Jun 28, 2006, at 8:03 AM, Ted Goranson wrote:
In an upcoming shift of machines, I am considering putting YDL
4. 1 on my 1G 17" PowerBook G4.
I have 4.0 on my Pismo and am discouraged about how old KDE is
and that yum never touches something active.
This message is about YDL.net. A couple years ago when I asked,
folks said it wasn't worth much.
Is it now? If I pay the money, will it be a reliable, robust and
continuously rich upgrade/update source for a desktop KDE?
Best, Ted
-- __________
Ted Goranson
Sirius-Beta
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