Sorry for the confusion, Allen. Our first step is Purification - purify the body and the mind. This is a formulated practice. After one masters the formulated practice, then one moves on to formula-less practices.
In the formulated practice, the first step is belly breathing. After one can breathe with belly automatically (usually three months) then observe to clean up chakras. Let me know if you have more question. Namaste, Donald Phillip Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thank you very much Donald I appreciate this information. However, i did not totally understand what it is talking about with sitting meditation. It indicates that it is some form of Qi cultivation meditation, but its does not give any specifics on the practice. Also I thought that doing Qi meditations like that without the proper supervision could be dangerous. Would you please elaborate a little more on this practice so I can understand what it is talking about a little better. Again thank you very much. Peace, Allen donald hwong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Allen, Every school is different in practice, though short term effectiveness are different, similar benefits in the long run nevertheless. I can only speak of the practice that I am familiar with. Here is the link to my school for your reference. http://www.heartzen.org We are Chan from China, a rare one in the west, with both Motion Zen and Sitting Zen. Each of us are here due to our own cause and effect. So, if you decide to try this method and having questions, just let me know. This is me. Namaste, Donald - JMJM Phillip Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thank you for your warm welcome Bill. Here is a question for the group. I have read some things on zazen from this forum and on the internet as well as in books. when I meditate I calm myself and allow myself to rest and relax. For a few moments I do nothing but sit and allow my thoughts and everything to arise without attaching myself to them. Then I let my attention rest on my breath's sensation at the tip of the nose and I follow it in and out to try and become aware of it. I was wondering if this is an acceptable practice or if I needed to do something different? In some meditations it says that I need to rest my aatention in my "hara" or on some visualized point on my forhead as well as becoming aware of my breathing. This can all be very confusing. Would somone please help me by telling me an appropriate way to meditate, or just please give me some points on practice? It needs to be understood that where I live I have no Zen teacher but only myself. Peace, Allen Bill Smart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Al, Welcome to the Zen Forum! As you can tell by scanning the postings over the past several weeks there has not been much action except the reason short exchanges prompted by Tony Wus posting. I hope youll feel free to engage whenever there are postings of interest, and I encourage you to initiate some threads of your own. Peace to All too, (except Al (the old one) who needs no peace - only wu) Bill! Al (the new one) wrote: Peace to All, Hello everyone. My name is Allen Rogers and I am new to this group and I look forward to many discussions with you. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------- Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on Yahoo! Answers. --------------------------------- Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on Yahoo! Answers.