Dear Donald:

Please do save us from all that comparations and continuos 
arrogance.  In this particular list, I have found extremely difficult 
an easy communication.  The more simple things said most of the times 
became a verbal competition and because my Englis is atrocious I do 
tend to get entangled with the words. 

You should give a lot of more insight coming from yourself experience 
rather than a rain of words that you have borrowed from someone else.

I was trying to establish with Bill his way of understanding the 
practice and because of that words got entangled, and so what it is 
to you?. 


--- In, donald hwong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> Good morning Bill,
> Mayka's answer typifies one of the major difference between a 
Chinese Linage and wester Zen.  This is what I have discovered after 
learning about Zen in English.
> Most of the Chinese Buddhists believe our Buddha nature are within 
us, but only through Chan practice can we rid of karma and let it 
shine through.
> A Chan practitioner means in Chinese to cultivate Bodhisattva Heart 
and to act in Bodhisattva way - a cycle fine-tunes each other 
until "everything" is consummated, satisfied and fulfilled.  Which is 
the Third Practice in our school.
> While a meditative practice based on Chi enable the practitioner to 
be connected with the universe, it constantly feeds the practitioner 
with life force and wisdom far beyond his mental capacity.
> Chi foundation seems to be another major difference between a 
Chinese Chan practitioner and a western one.  When BodhiDharma taught 
for the first time in China, at Shaolin, both Motion Chan and Sitting 
Chan, the only common thread of the two is the cultivation of the 
> Without Chi, there is no power to transform a person.  Without Chi 
the entire practice becomes a mental interpretation of the experience 
instead of the experience itself.
> This may be why the foundamental Buddhism of karma and cause and 
effect is not a major teaching in western Zen, because there is no 
practice to support it.
> These are just my personal observations after discussion with 
several western Zen priests.
> Do let me know your comments.
> _/\_
> Donald
> Mayka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:                                  Bill 
>  > Why do you believe you are not a living Buddha yourself, and 
>  there is
>  > nothing else that you need to become?  .Bill!
>  >
>  Mayka answers: 
>  A real living Buddha has free his/her mind and I haven't achieved 
>  yet.  So, I can not call myself a living Buddha but someone with 
>  aspiration of being a real living Buddha. 
>  Mayka 
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