Thank you for your insightful and thought-provoking post.

I have seen actually not seen many samurai movies, but am certain I am not
missing anything as regards the focus of this discussion. I believe samurai
movies reflect actual Japanese culture about as well as BAYWATCH or the
recent Batman movies reflect US culture.  They’re both romantic dreams of
how some people think things ‘should be’, but not a good depiction of how
things ‘are’, or in this case ‘were’.  Having said that, however, in the few
samurai and other Japanese movies I have seen I have not noticed any
specific denigration of homosexuals.

So - I think you can continue to enjoy your samurai movies without any worry
about your obviously well-refined sensibilities being offended by overt
denigration of homosexuals, or being burdened with the possibility of
learning anything particularly useful about ancient Japanese culture; and
ESPECIALLY not be in danger of being exposed to anything even remotely
resembling zen .


From: [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Charlie
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 11:17 PM
Subject: [Zen] Re: Gay Roshis?

"Bill Smart" <> I have never read or heard anything about the attitude 
of Japanese zen towards homosexuality. Many medieval Western and Asian 
cultures were more tolerant of sexual preferences than today's 

If you have seen enough Samurai movies, it is clear that homosexuels 
and fleabag faggots were condemned and shunned and regularly beaten 
and then killed off. 

You need to check your sources, mister. Gays were hated in the Samurai 


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