Thank you for posting such an insightful respone on this topic..
--- On Mon, 8/30/10, salik888 <novelid...@aol.com> wrote:
From: salik888 <novelid...@aol.com>
Subject: [Zen] Re: Death
Date: Monday, August 30, 2010, 2:09 PM
I think there are two things you can do. And I want to take this time to tell
you not to become discouraged by posters that offer obvious solutions and
realizations that are supposedy inherent to their way of living and thinking. I
can tell that it is not useful. You are not going to be able to think yourself
out of this one though.
Here is what I have found. Anyone who is telling you that they are not afraid
of death, you have to assume that they are lying -- lying to themselves and
others. Even if they are wandering around not thinking about it, they are
avoiding thinking about about it, or sensing it.
In your case, you have expressed a compulsive disorder with death. I would do
Bill Smart and others here can reaffirm of give you explanation of Zazen, to
bring Shikan Taza into your life. I would begin a good practice of Zazen and
stick to it. Put great emphasis (still thinking, thus fearing) observing your
thoughts, non grasping, just letting them go. You can do this with your Zazen.
Having said that, the practical matter of things is that you have to walk
around in your life and deal with this throughout your day. I would expose
yourself to the work of Albert Ellis, the cognitive psychologist who started
REBT Therapy. There has been some analysis written on his work and Zen, since
he is basically a sort of ego as function sort of Philosopher. He doesn't
believe in enlightenment that I know of, but what he does offer is thinking as
function and the refuting of obsessional thinking. These two together may be
helpful. I have seen Albert Ellis's Therapy help many people. It is very
practical and very useful.
Of course I always recommend reading only within of context of learning, the
whole idea of Sufis "learning how to learn, knowing how to know, etc . . ."
To the Sufi way of thinking, fear of death operates out of the lower self, the
commanding self, that has been conditioned and enhanced by culture and the
false self (ego). Operating out of the realm can be useful if your intention is
to transcend it, in fact, the fear of death can be more of blessing than
someone who mindlessly goes around says, "well when I'm dead I won't know it."
Oftentimes they are just ameliorating themselves with their own mind candy.
Keep this in mind, all human beings fear death in some proportion, you are just
tuning into it. However, it is possible to use this on the so called path.
Sometimes with people Yahoo Groups of the so called religious nature you get
posters who are really just posting for themselves, transmitting and projecting
something they want to feel or sense, and want others to feed back to them. So,
don't pay much attention to them.
Having said that, it really is about Zazen, and feeling a certain intention and
gratitude toward working with your obsession, for it can help you in the end.
No pun intended . . .
K among the deathers
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "DP" <dave.dplat...@...> wrote:
> ARe there any good meditations I can do which helps me deal with my fear of
> death? I just finished Thich Nhat Hanh's No Death No Fear, and I liked it,
> but I feel such a hard time getting around the idea of continuance - it's too
> much for my materialist mind. So maybe I need a different tack...
> How do I confront the reality of death with the aim towards lessening my fear
> of this?