Thanks Bill.
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Subject: RE: [Zen] Tantric Crazy Wisdom
Date: Thursday, 21 October, 2010, 1:39


‘Eat your heart out’ refers to envy  - envida.  It means you think the one you 
are talking too is envious.

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Subject: Re: [Zen] Tantric Crazy Wisdom

I was (jokingly) hinting that Drukpa Kunley was a lot more successful than 
Anthony in certain specific male obsessional behaviors!
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What does the expression "Eat your heart out" means?

--- On Wed, 20/10/10, ED <seacrofter...@...> wrote:


Eat your heart out, Anthony!  ;-) --ED

"Drukpa Kunley

Drukpa Kunley, popularly known as the Bhutan's Divine Madman, was known for his 
crazy wisdom.


Lama Drukpa Kunley is one of the strangest religious and historical characters 
in the exotic land of Bhutan. One of the great religious teachers and holy men, 
Drukpa Kunley, is known all over Bhutan as `The Divine Madman'. 


Eccentric and only one of his kinds, Drukpa Kunley was born in Tibet in 1455. 
There are many legends associated to him that talk of various miracles and his 
outlandish behavior. He is believed to have been an extremely precocious child 
who could remember all of his previous incarnations vividly. He became 
disillusioned with the world when his father was killed in a family feud and 
renounced it forever, turning to a religious life and becoming a monk. However, 
it seems he did not find peace in monkshood and gave up his robes in his early 

He lived as a mendicant, practiced spiritual arts and magic and wandered all 
over the country. He crossed the borders to enter Bhutan and purposefully lived 
in an unorthodox way and despised accepted ways of behavior to expose the 
hypocrisy of the world; the selfish motives behind them and greed that lead 
people to follow them.


His approach to motivate people to be honest and live a spiritual life was 
weird to say the least. He himself led a lewd lifestyle that would have been 
considered very immoral, according to our standards. This great lama used to 
sing, drink with young ladies and have sex with virgins. His legends mostly 
portray him as drinking `chang' (a sort of Tibetan beer), making love to a 
maiden or striking sown evil entities and demons with his `Flaming Thunderbolt 
of Wisdom' [phallus]. 

Bhutan's Divine Madman believed in divine excess and used to mock and ridicule 
the establishments and priests that led dual lives. Some of his feats and 
miracles included blessing or damning families, according to their moral 
treatment of others; turn tiny quantities of tea into superfluous amounts that 
would be sufficient for thousands of people; slaughtering animals for their 
meat and then restoring them to life from their bones; exorcising evil sp! 
irits; reforming demons and being able to travel on a spiritual plane with the 
ability to travel thousands of miles almost instantaneously. 


It is a miracle in itself that Bhutanese, who are very conservative and never 
show affection in public, adore this holy man and paint `flying phalluses' on 
the exteriors of their homes to represent him. It is believed that this will 
protect the house from evil spirits and promote fertility. Drukpa Kunley also 
founded a monastery near the town of Punakha, dedicated to fertility.


Hundreds of people from all over Bhutan visit this monastery to pray for 
children and in the temple; a monk holding a symbolic phallus blesses them."


Bill wote:

My comments are embedded below:

A Tantric story describes an 'enlightened' person as killing fish, drinking wine
and having an affair with women. Is that the outcome of your highlighted
statement below?

[Bill!'s Highlighted Statement] It stops the imperative to classify things as
moral/immoral or altruistic/selfish.

[Bill!] The outcome for YOU would be that YOU would judge other people's
behavior as moral or immoral.

[Bill!] On a similar note the last stage of the Ten Ox Herding Pictures shows
the fully enlighten sage returning the village carrying a jug of wine and a
fish. Are the sage's actions moral or immoral?



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