Mayka,

Beer *without* alcohol?!! What kind of an abomination is that?!!!!!!!!!! I'm 
Welsh/Australian so I've never come across such a blasphemy. Must be something 
made for the English. Also, I don't drink with mindfulness as a goal (unless 
you 
count 'getting out of your mnd' as the same thing) : )

Mike




________________________________
From: Maria Lopez <flordel...@btinternet.com>
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 26 October, 2010 8:01:25
Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen and the Brain

  
Mike:
 
Do you drink beer with alcohol or without it?.  If it's with alcohol, do you 
mean that you are drunk when you write to us?....Just curious.    Whatever you 
do, drink with mindfulness for best taste and to know what you are 
drinking.  Just kidding! 
 
Mayka  



--- On Mon, 25/10/10, mike brown <uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:


>From: mike brown <uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk>
>Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen and the Brain
>To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
>Date: Monday, 25 October, 2010, 16:37
>
>
>  
>Mayka,
>
>After a hard days work there's nothing better than to have a few beers and 
>stir 
>things up here a bit. It's 90% ego entertainment and about10% (probably less) 
>has some meaningful value. I enjoy it a lot : )
>
>Mike
>
>
>
>
________________________________
From: Maria Lopez <flordel...@btinternet.com>
>To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Mon, 25 October, 2010 20:11:02
>Subject: RE: [Zen] Zen and the Brain
>
>  
>Bill, ED and all:
> 
>Bill wrote:
>For me the Zen Forum is an e-sangha, somewhere I can go to discuss zen and
>other related subjects with others.
>
>Mayka:
>Very glad to hear you say this.  For me this zen forum is the only place in 
>which I can express myself openly with no consequences of having done 
>so.    And 
>because of that I'm able to express always what is in me with no fear or 
>whatsoever.  
>In addition,  I find this forum very supportive to myself practise.     I 
>really 
>like the variety and mix of different characters participating on it.  Each 
>person has a characteristic that is unique to that person.  Heart feels taking 
>this posting opportunity  to thank all its participants once and again.
> 
>What about you ED, Mike, Anthony, Chris, Vincent, Mark...?
>
>
>
>--- On Mon, 25/10/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org <billsm...@hhs1963.org> wrote:
>
>
>>From: billsm...@hhs1963.org <billsm...@hhs1963.org>
>>Subject: RE: [Zen] Zen and the Brain
>>To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
>>Date: Monday, 25 October, 2010, 5:00
>>
>>
>>  
>>Ed,
>>
>>To the best of my knowledge the Yahoo! Zen Forum was established by Albert
>>Batista in 2002. Al does not participate often now, but has entrusted the
>>Moderator's role of the forum to Edgar Owen (who also doesn't now
>>participate very often) and me. As part of the Zen Forum Home Page
>>description of the forum Al wrote:
>>
>>“We believe that true Zen is a realization and way of life which may be
>>found and practiced anywhere and is not confined within the gates of any
>>particular temple or sutra. While many of our members have studied Zen
>>formally we are not constrained by any particular teaching and seek to cut
>>directly through to reality wherever we may find ourselves.
>>
>>Thus you will find this group a fun and freewheeling group that brings many
>>interesting and diverse perspectives to a serious and sometimes passionate
>>discussion of Zen. We welcome all new members at whatever level with an
>>interest in Zen and enlightenment to participate. On this group we are all
>>students, and all teachers!”
>>
>>That is as an official answer as I can give you.
>>
>>Of course each participant may have different reasons for participating in
>>this forum, and would therefore have different opinions on what the zen
>>forum ‘was about’.
>>
>>For me the Zen Forum is an e-sangha, somewhere I can go to discuss zen and
>>other related subjects with others.
>>
>>What do you think the Zen Forum is ‘about’?
>>
>>…Bill!
>>
>>From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
>>Of ED
>>Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 9:43 AM
>>To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
>>Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen and the Brain
>>
>>  
>>
>>Bill,
>>
>>What's the Zen Forum about?
>>
>>Thanks, ED
>>
>>--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, <billsm...@...> wrote:
>>>
>>Ed,
>>
>>The one constant theme that runs through your comments below is that
>>`prior
>>to kensho (glimpsing Buddha Nature) it is okay to engage in intellectual
>>activities that you think help you understand zen'.
>>
>>Zen is not something you can understand. You can form concepts and
>>opinions
>>about zen, but they are not zen. Any attempt to understand zen at best
>>will be unhelpful, and at worst will be misleading and detrimental.
>>
>>A few posts ago I posted comments that I labeled as `logical'
>>and
>>`alogical'. The `alogical' comment was actually not
>>presented alogically.
>>It was a logical presentation of the concept of something alogical.
>>Since
>>it's relevant here, and since I'd also like to correct that
>>error on my
>>part, I now present an alogical response to your comments post below. It
>>can also be directed at Mike's recent comments on the same subject. It
>>is a
>>paraphrasing of a story of an excellent alogical response given by an
>>historical zen master:
>>
>>Ed approached Joshu in all earnestness, "I want to practice zen.
>>I've read
>>many books on zen, meditation and consciousness. I keep up-to-date on
>>all
>>the latest discoveries in the realm of physiology and psychology that
>>relates to zen. Please give me instructions."
>>
>>Joshu asked, "Have you eaten your lunch yet?"
>>
>>Ed replied, "Yes I have. I just got up from the table, and I know
>>from my
>>studies that when I eat my body redirects a large portion of my blood to
>>my
>>digestive system and that results in decreased ability to concentrate,
>>so I
>>probably shouldn't sit zazen right now. What do you recommend?"
>>
>>Joshu replied, "Wash your dishes."
>>
>>…adapted from JOSHU'S"WASH YOUR BOWLS", Case 7 – THE
>>GATELESS GATE
>>
>>…Bill!
>>
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