Bill,
 
Are you sure 7 UP contains beer?
 
Anthony

--- On Thu, 28/10/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org <billsm...@hhs1963.org> wrote:


From: billsm...@hhs1963.org <billsm...@hhs1963.org>
Subject: RE: [Zen] Zen and the Brain
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, 28 October, 2010, 10:48 AM


  



Anthony,
Beer mixed with lemonade (Americans would call this 7-Up) is a very popular 
drink in England, especially among women in the summer. It’s called a ‘shandy’ 
or ‘shandygaff’. I’ve tried it before and it’s pretty good.

See Wikipedia for information about beer cocktails.

…Bill! 

From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Anthony Wu
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 5:19 PM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen and the Brain

Mayka,

Beer mixed with anything else won't taste good. Cocktails are not made from 
beer, but wisky, cognac, gin, vodka etc. Meditation should help you give up 
smoking, if you want. However, you should resist temptation to come back to 
cigarettes for half a year. After that, it is over, and you feel great.

Anthony

--- On Wed, 27/10/10, Maria Lopez <flordel...@btinternet.com> wrote:

From: Maria Lopez <flordel...@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen and the Brain
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 27 October, 2010, 3:47 PM

Hi Anthony:

I don't know because hardly ever drink beer but when I do is with alcohol and 
mixed with sparkling lemon. I'm an smoker. After different attempts in the past 
of trying to give up I didn't succeed. Now I don't try to give up any longer. 
Perhaps smokes gives up on me!. 

Mayka

--- On Wed, 27/10/10, Anthony Wu <wu...@yahoo.com.sg> wrote:

From: Anthony Wu <wu...@yahoo.com.sg>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen and the Brain
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 27 October, 2010, 1:00

Mayka,

The alcohol free beer may taste the same, but never 'feels' the same as the 
real beer. As I told you, my unsuccessful attempts at quitting smoking with 
expensive nicotine free cigarrettes made things worse. Eventually I succeeded 
by meditation, believe it or not.

Anthony

--- On Wed, 27/10/10, Maria Lopez <flordel...@btinternet.com> wrote:

From: Maria Lopez <flordel...@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen and the Brain
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 27 October, 2010, 3:51 AM

Anthony:

There is also beer without alcohol in Spain. Not sure if in the UK but in Spain 
definitely is. My younger sister told me and tried myself while I was there. 
Similar taste as the one with the alcohol. Beer is a drink never enjoyed much 
on its own. the way I like it is in very hot summer and mixed with 2/3 of 
gaseosa ( a refreshing sparkling lemon drink) because it's very refreshing.

Mayka 

--- On Tue, 26/10/10, Anthony Wu <wu...@yahoo.com.sg> wrote:

From: Anthony Wu <wu...@yahoo.com.sg>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen and the Brain
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 26 October, 2010, 0:07

Mayka,

Of course, always beer containing alcohol. When I first tried to quit smoking, 
I tried nicotine free cigarettes, and ended up with a double dosage of 
cigarettes that day. That is a conflict between fun and no fun. Not sure who 
will win eventually.

Anthony

--- On Tue, 26/10/10, Maria Lopez <flordel...@btinternet.com> wrote:

From: Maria Lopez <flordel...@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen and the Brain
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 26 October, 2010, 7:01 AM

Mike:

Do you drink beer with alcohol or without it?. If it's with alcohol, do you 
mean that you are drunk when you write to us?....Just curious. Whatever you do, 
drink with mindfulness for best taste and to know what you are drinking. Just 
kidding! 

Mayka 


--- On Mon, 25/10/10, mike brown <uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

From: mike brown <uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen and the Brain
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, 25 October, 2010, 16:37

Mayka,

After a hard days work there's nothing better than to have a few beers and stir 
things up here a bit. It's 90% ego entertainment and about10% (probably less) 
has some meaningful value. I enjoy it a lot : )

Mike

________________________________________
From: Maria Lopez <flordel...@btinternet.com>
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 25 October, 2010 20:11:02
Subject: RE: [Zen] Zen and the Brain

Bill, ED and all:

Bill wrote:
For me the Zen Forum is an e-sangha, somewhere I can go to discuss zen and
other related subjects with others.

Mayka:
Very glad to hear you say this. For me this zen forum is the only place in 
which I can express myself openly with no consequences of having done so. And 
because of that I'm able to express always what is in me with no fear or 
whatsoever. 
In addition, I find this forum very supportive to myself practise. I really 
like the variety and mix of different characters participating on it. Each 
person has a characteristic that is unique to that person. Heart feels taking 
this posting opportunity to thank all its participants once and again.

What about you ED, Mike, Anthony, Chris, Vincent, Mark...?



--- On Mon, 25/10/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org <billsm...@hhs1963.org> wrote:

From: billsm...@hhs1963.org <billsm...@hhs1963.org>
Subject: RE: [Zen] Zen and the Brain
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, 25 October, 2010, 5:00

Ed,

To the best of my knowledge the Yahoo! Zen Forum was established by Albert
Batista in 2002. Al does not participate often now, but has entrusted the
Moderator's role of the forum to Edgar Owen (who also doesn't now
participate very often) and me. As part of the Zen Forum Home Page
description of the forum Al wrote:

“We believe that true Zen is a realization and way of life which may be
found and practiced anywhere and is not confined within the gates of any
particular temple or sutra. While many of our members have studied Zen
formally we are not constrained by any particular teaching and seek to cut
directly through to reality wherever we may find ourselves.

Thus you will find this group a fun and freewheeling group that brings many
interesting and diverse perspectives to a serious and sometimes passionate
discussion of Zen. We welcome all new members at whatever level with an
interest in Zen and enlightenment to participate. On this group we are all
students, and all teachers!”

That is as an official answer as I can give you.

Of course each participant may have different reasons for participating in
this forum, and would therefore have different opinions on what the zen
forum ‘was about’.

For me the Zen Forum is an e-sangha, somewhere I can go to discuss zen and
other related subjects with others.

What do you think the Zen Forum is ‘about’?

…Bill!

From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of ED
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 9:43 AM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen and the Brain

Bill,

What's the Zen Forum about?

Thanks, ED

--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, <billsm...@...> wrote:
>
Ed,

The one constant theme that runs through your comments below is that
`prior
to kensho (glimpsing Buddha Nature) it is okay to engage in intellectual
activities that you think help you understand zen'.

Zen is not something you can understand. You can form concepts and
opinions
about zen, but they are not zen. Any attempt to understand zen at best
will be unhelpful, and at worst will be misleading and detrimental.

A few posts ago I posted comments that I labeled as `logical'
and
`alogical'. The `alogical' comment was actually not
presented alogically.
It was a logical presentation of the concept of something alogical.
Since
it's relevant here, and since I'd also like to correct that
error on my
part, I now present an alogical response to your comments post below. It
can also be directed at Mike's recent comments on the same subject. It
is a
paraphrasing of a story of an excellent alogical response given by an
historical zen master:

Ed approached Joshu in all earnestness, "I want to practice zen.
I've read
many books on zen, meditation and consciousness. I keep up-to-date on
all
the latest discoveries in the realm of physiology and psychology that
relates to zen. Please give me instructions."

Joshu asked, "Have you eaten your lunch yet?"

Ed replied, "Yes I have. I just got up from the table, and I know
from my
studies that when I eat my body redirects a large portion of my blood to
my
digestive system and that results in decreased ability to concentrate,
so I
probably shouldn't sit zazen right now. What do you recommend?"

Joshu replied, "Wash your dishes."

…adapted from JOSHU'S"WASH YOUR BOWLS", Case 7 – THE
GATELESS GATE

…Bill!

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