Mike,
You appear to possess an insufferable confidence in the infallibility of your non-rational mind! [:))] --ED --- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@...> wrote: > ED, I see you're still standing on one side of the wall : ) Do you really think that Zen can be described. and defined analytically? Which do you think closer points to the heart of Zen - the woo-woo of the koan or the Zen Guide for Dummies? Mike Bill, All by smileys are inserted with serious intention. Your message below is both instructive and chips away at our woo-woo Zen Tower of Babel. Thank you. How would you describe 'mindfulness'? How would you describe 'just mindfulness' or 'mindfulnes only' or 'nothing but mindfulness'? Thanks, --ED PS: I found 'kensho-satori' in Dr. James book: Austin's Zen-Brain Reflections --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@...> wrote: > ED, I'll assume that this is one of your serious posts since you didn't insert a 'smiley face'... My comments are embedded below: [ED] Does possessing awareness imply that one is in a non-dual state of kensho-satori? Caveat: all that follows is just IMNSHO: You certainly can be aware of lots of stuff, but if it's an awareness that includes dualities (like, 'I'm aware of the ringing of the bell'), then that's not 'just awareness' that we were talking about. We were talking about ONLY awareness - NOTHING BUT awareness - BONG! - that's all. I don't use the terms 'kensho' and 'satori' very much, but when I do I use them as: - 'Kensho' is an initial glimpse of non-duality (Buddha Mind); it's usually only lasts a very short time (seconds or minutes). - 'Satori' is a more substantial experience of non-duality (Buddha Mind); it can last for hours or days, but it does imply it is temporary. - 'Englightenment' is a permanent state of non-duality (Buddha Mind); and affords the ability to accomodate dualistic thinking without attaching to it. To answer your question directly, the experience of 'just awareness' (Just THIS!) is kensho/satori/Buddha Mind/etc... All these terms are just different names for the same thing. ...Bill
