Mike, You asked: "And where are we just before we ask, "Does a dog have Buddha Nature?"
We are on page 11 in the Wisdom Publications edition of THE GATELESS GATE...Bill! --- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@...> wrote: > > Bill!, > > At last! So can we all finally agree that 'mindfulbess', as well as koans, > are > techniques that take us to where we already are? And where are we just before > we > ask, "Does a dog have Buddha Nature?" > > Mike > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Bill! <BillSmart@...> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sun, 6 March, 2011 8:54:04 > Subject: [Zen] Re: What is the equivalent of 'pure awareness' in Zen? > > Â > ED, > > One more point... > > In the post below I said: "If you continue to focus your attention on one > thing > long enough you can reach the state of 'pure awareness', or what I would call > Buddha Mind, or Original Mind, or Just THIS!" > > This is in fact how koans work. > > That's what I wanted to add...Bill! > > > --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > ED, > > > > Again, I don't use the term 'mindfulness' myself. When others use it I > > ASSUME > >it means very tightly focused attentiveness or concentration. If you > >continue to > >focus your attention on one thing long enough you can reach the state of > >'pure > >awareness', or what I would call Buddha Mind, or Original Mind, or Just THIS! > > > > That's my take on 'mindfulness'. > > > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected], "ED" <seacrofter001@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > All by smileys are inserted with serious intention. > > > > > > Your message below is both instructive and chips away at our woo-woo Zen > > > Tower of Babel. Thank you. > > > > > > How would you describe 'mindfulness'? > > > > > > How would you describe 'just mindfulness' or 'mindfulnes only' or > > > 'nothing but mindfulness'? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > --ED > > > > > > PS: I found 'kensho-satori' in Dr. James book: Austin's Zen-Brain > > > Reflections > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > ED, > > > > > > I'll assume that this is one of your serious posts since you didn't > > > insert a 'smiley face'... > > > > > > My comments are embedded below: > > > > > > [ED] Does possessing awareness imply that one is in a non-dual state of > > > kensho-satori? > > > > > > > > > Caveat: all that follows is just IMNSHO: > > > > > > You certainly can be aware of lots of stuff, but if it's an awareness > > > that includes dualities (like, 'I'm aware of the ringing of the bell'), > > > then that's not 'just awareness' that we were talking about. We were > > > talking about ONLY awareness - NOTHING BUT awareness - BONG! - that's > > > all. > > > > > > I don't use the terms 'kensho' and 'satori' very much, but when I do I > > > use them as: > > > > > > - 'Kensho' is an initial glimpse of non-duality (Buddha Mind); it's > > > usually only lasts a very short time (seconds or minutes). > > > > > > - 'Satori' is a more substantial experience of non-duality (Buddha > > > Mind); it can last for hours or days, but it does imply it is temporary. > > > > > > - 'Englightenment' is a permanent state of non-duality (Buddha Mind); > > > and affords the ability to accomodate dualistic thinking without > > > attaching to it. > > > > > > To answer your question directly, the experience of 'just awareness' > > > (Just THIS!) is kensho/satori/Buddha Mind/etc... All these terms are > > > just different names for the same thing. > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
