Steve,

I don't disagree with the quote from Thich Nhat Hanh below.  I do think, 
however, that the way he's phrased this in English could lead to a 
misunderstanding of the relationship between precepts and mindfulness.  This is 
partially linguistic and partically because of the tendancy to look at things 
like this from a dualistic (and in our case, Western) perspective.

Following precepts does not lead to mindfulness.  Practicing mindfulness, 
however, does lead to a life that is compatible with the precepts - at least 
the first 5.

Or to say it another way: you can faithfully follow all the precepts and still 
not be practicing mindfulness; but if you are practicing mindfulness you will 
be following all the precepts - at least the first 5.

...Bill!
 
--- In [email protected], "SteveW" <eugnostos2000@...> wrote:
>
> "If we don't practice the precepts, we aren't practicing mindfulness. I know 
> some Zen students who think that they can practice meditation without 
> practicing precepts, but that is not correct. The heart of Buddhist 
> meditation is the practice of the precepts. You cannot meditate without 
> practicing the precepts."
> -from The Heart of The Buddha's Teaching, page 82
> Any comments?
> Steve
>




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