Hi Mike,

> My own feeling about the precepts is that they in fact describe the life 
> lived after awakening.rather than before.

There are times when I really wish this forum has that 'Like' button to click 
like what they have in facebook. 
This is one of those times :-)

Siska
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From: mike brown <[email protected]>
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Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 03:43:31 
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Steve,

I think there are a couple of ways at looking at the precepts and how they 
apply 
to our practice. First of all, they were developed for the followers of Buddha 
and his immediate sangha i.e monks. Anyone on a retreat or sesshin can attest 
to 
the fact that the precepts are easier to follow in such a setting. Of course, 
they weren't posited because they are easy to follow, but because any course of 
intensive meditation requires a mind not stirred up by the things the precepts 
'prohibits'. For example, killing a mosquito or gossiping about someone on a 
sesshin causes so much mental energy that prolonged, intensive  meditation 
is difficult (mental dissonance). A second point is that following the precepts 
(whether by monks or laypeople) can create such a psychological (some would say 
spiritual) ambience that an awakening is much more possible. My own feeling 
about the precepts is that they in fact describe the life lived after 
awakening.rather than before. 

Mike




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From: SteveW <[email protected]>
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Sent: Wed, 30 March, 2011 3:03:44
Subject: [Zen] An Opinion of Thich Nhat Hanh

  
"If we don't practice the precepts, we aren't practicing mindfulness. I know 
some Zen students who think that they can practice meditation without 
practicing 
precepts, but that is not correct. The heart of Buddhist meditation is the 
practice of the precepts. You cannot meditate without practicing the precepts."
-from The Heart of The Buddha's Teaching, page 82
Any comments?
Steve





      

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