Steve,

I apologize that the question I asked did not at all capture what was on
my mind.

My question is:

Ramana Maharshi's "I am" practice and zazen can both  lead to a non-dual
and no-self state of experiencing reality. Therefore can it be said that
that these two practices lead to the same or to similar states of
awakening?

Thanks, ED



--- In [email protected], "SteveW" <eugnostos2000@...> wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi ED. Well, I would like to point out that the Lankavatara Sutra,
which Zen people generally approve of, denies the existence of a
Universal Self. Advaita Vedanta people generally assert that the Self is
Nirguna, without qualities, while the Awakening of Faith Sutra, which
Zen people generally endorse, asserts that Suchness is endowed with all
good qualities. This would seem to be a contradiction. As to meditation,
or at least zazen, obviously Zen teachers promote the practice, although
they will sometimes say that there is not necessarily a causal
relationship between zazen and satori. Even in those Non-Dual Hindu
traditions that speak of Self, there is no final agreement. Advaita
Vedanta asserts that the world is an unreal appearance superimposed upon
the face of Being, while Kashmir Shaivism asserts that the world is
real, but not separate from consciousness.
> The Mahaparanirvana Sutra, another sutra that Zen people generally
like, also agrees with the Awakening of Faith sutra in regards to the
inherent good qualities of the Mahatman (Great Self) of the Buddha.
> Steve


> > Mike, Bill, Steve and All,
> >
> > In your judgment, is the perspective of Zen on meditation practice
the
> > same as, similar to or different from that of Ramana Maharshi?
> >
> > --ED

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