ED,

I can only assume that there is only one non-dualistic state; because if there 
would be multiple non-dualistic states that would negate the concept of 
non-dualism.  And we couldn't have that,could we?  Then we'd have to close down 
the Zen Forum...Bill!




--- In [email protected], "ED" <seacrofter001@...> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Steve,
> 
> I apologize that the question I asked did not at all capture what was on
> my mind.
> 
> My question is:
> 
> Ramana Maharshi's "I am" practice and zazen can both  lead to a non-dual
> and no-self state of experiencing reality. Therefore can it be said that
> that these two practices lead to the same or to similar states of
> awakening?
> 
> Thanks, ED
> 
> 
> 
> --- In [email protected], "SteveW" <eugnostos2000@> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Hi ED. Well, I would like to point out that the Lankavatara Sutra,
> which Zen people generally approve of, denies the existence of a
> Universal Self. Advaita Vedanta people generally assert that the Self is
> Nirguna, without qualities, while the Awakening of Faith Sutra, which
> Zen people generally endorse, asserts that Suchness is endowed with all
> good qualities. This would seem to be a contradiction. As to meditation,
> or at least zazen, obviously Zen teachers promote the practice, although
> they will sometimes say that there is not necessarily a causal
> relationship between zazen and satori. Even in those Non-Dual Hindu
> traditions that speak of Self, there is no final agreement. Advaita
> Vedanta asserts that the world is an unreal appearance superimposed upon
> the face of Being, while Kashmir Shaivism asserts that the world is
> real, but not separate from consciousness.
> > The Mahaparanirvana Sutra, another sutra that Zen people generally
> like, also agrees with the Awakening of Faith sutra in regards to the
> inherent good qualities of the Mahatman (Great Self) of the Buddha.
> > Steve
> 
> 
> > > Mike, Bill, Steve and All,
> > >
> > > In your judgment, is the perspective of Zen on meditation practice
> the
> > > same as, similar to or different from that of Ramana Maharshi?
> > >
> > > --ED
>




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