ED, I can only assume that there is only one non-dualistic state; because if there would be multiple non-dualistic states that would negate the concept of non-dualism. And we couldn't have that,could we? Then we'd have to close down the Zen Forum...Bill!
--- In [email protected], "ED" <seacrofter001@...> wrote: > > > > Steve, > > I apologize that the question I asked did not at all capture what was on > my mind. > > My question is: > > Ramana Maharshi's "I am" practice and zazen can both lead to a non-dual > and no-self state of experiencing reality. Therefore can it be said that > that these two practices lead to the same or to similar states of > awakening? > > Thanks, ED > > > > --- In [email protected], "SteveW" <eugnostos2000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi ED. Well, I would like to point out that the Lankavatara Sutra, > which Zen people generally approve of, denies the existence of a > Universal Self. Advaita Vedanta people generally assert that the Self is > Nirguna, without qualities, while the Awakening of Faith Sutra, which > Zen people generally endorse, asserts that Suchness is endowed with all > good qualities. This would seem to be a contradiction. As to meditation, > or at least zazen, obviously Zen teachers promote the practice, although > they will sometimes say that there is not necessarily a causal > relationship between zazen and satori. Even in those Non-Dual Hindu > traditions that speak of Self, there is no final agreement. Advaita > Vedanta asserts that the world is an unreal appearance superimposed upon > the face of Being, while Kashmir Shaivism asserts that the world is > real, but not separate from consciousness. > > The Mahaparanirvana Sutra, another sutra that Zen people generally > like, also agrees with the Awakening of Faith sutra in regards to the > inherent good qualities of the Mahatman (Great Self) of the Buddha. > > Steve > > > > > Mike, Bill, Steve and All, > > > > > > In your judgment, is the perspective of Zen on meditation practice > the > > > same as, similar to or different from that of Ramana Maharshi? > > > > > > --ED > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
