Hi Ed, I quite like the way you put it.
Lately, on my way to work each morning, I notice that the sky has become more beautiful, clear blue with beautiful white clouds here and there. I wonder if the sky has really changed or it is me who is now looking at it differently. Illusions? :-) siska -----Original Message----- From: "ED" <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2011 13:20:17 To: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Zen] Why bother with Zazen? Better Orgyhouse > > ... until they succeed in making the switch (which of course is not necessarily or usually ongoing.) > [siska] the way I see it, this happens when it happens. Nobody is making the switch. We can try to make the switch, but it won't happen until it happens. And when it happens, nobody can switch it back. siska, After adequate Zen or other practice, I think that an experience of the non-dual mind-state switches back and forth, without the individual's choice - like is the casse in some optical illusions: http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&q=optical+illusions&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sou\ rce=univ&sa=X&ei=mL-ZTbmpDY7YiAK09emcCQ&ved=0CDcQsAQ&biw=1014&bih=540 <http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&q=optical+illusions&um=1&ie=UTF-8&so\ urce=univ&sa=X&ei=mL-ZTbmpDY7YiAK09emcCQ&ved=0CDcQsAQ&biw=1014&bih=540> . With more practice, the mind may prefer the non-dual state over the dualistic state. Possibly for a few, the non-dual state will become ongoing after sufficient Zen or other practice. I repeat: Bill would be a better person to expound on this issue. --ED --- In [email protected], siska_cen@... wrote: > > Hi Ed, > > The way I understand it is as follows: 'Non-dualism' is a conception. > [siska] don't really get why it is a conception > > The non-dual and the dualistic states are mind-states in which we experience reality non-dually or dualistically respectively.[siska] agree with you > > Most humans experience reality dualistically, > [siska] agree with you > > until they succeed in making the switch (which of course is not necessarily or usually ongoing.) > [siska] the way I see it, this happens when it happens. Nobody is making the switch. We can try to make the switch, but it won't happen until it happens. And when it happens, nobody can switch it back. > > siska > Hi siska, > > The way I understand it is as follows: 'Non-dualism' is a conception. > > The non-dual and the dualistic states are mind-states in which we > experience reality non-dually or dualistically respectively. > > Most humans experience reality dualistically, until they succeed in > making the switch (which of course is not necessarily or usually > ongoing.) > > --ED > > > > --- In [email protected], siska_cen@ wrote: > > > > Hi Ed, > > > > I was about to ask your views on non-dualism, but I am guessing your > view is represented by the article here and in your other post. And I > agree with what is being said here. > > > > The other article was fine too, in terms of putting non-dualism and > zen into words. My view is that non-dualism is here and now (as in > Hakuin's song), instead of some destination point, which you seemed to > imply in your previous post. > > > > siska > > Hi siska, > > > > You may want to ask Bill, Mike, Steve and Mayka their views on Zen and > > non-dualism. > > > > --ED
