JMJM; Just giving different perspectives of the theme giving away. If the giving away is out of a notion then the giving away will be in the self. If the giving away is in the self then that given away is not a real giving away but a giving away with a purpose, the purpose of feeling good about ourselves. We think that we do that giving away for others but that is not true, we do that for the pleasure we get out through that giving away. Mayka --- On Tue, 23/8/11, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Zen] An example of Absolute Emptiness To: [email protected] Date: Tuesday, 23 August, 2011, 15:47 Hi Mayka, Not sure you are making a statement or a question. It is wonderful for us to give. Just initiating the notion of giving without being told is respectable. At the least, it is so written in Bibles and taught by many. If we dig deeper into this notion, there are two kinds of notions. One is produce through the reaction to all the forms of our conscious mind, the other is pure heart detached from all forms. Feeling deceived is because we still have an ego, an conscious mind. When the notions is from our heart, it is pure. Pure compassion. This is what Vilamakirti is talking about. Thank you for responding. jm Learn the Basics of Chan Meditation... http://www.chan-meditation.org Chan in everyday life... http://www.chanliving.org To be enlightened in this life... http://www.heartchan.org To save our world... http://www.universal-oneness.org On 8/23/2011 6:23 AM, Maria Lopez wrote: JMJM; We often give away because that makes us feel good about ourselves. This is a kind of giving away based in self. And so when the experience turns out unpleasant then we feel as we were deceived. But no one told us to give away in the first place!. Mayka --- On Mon, 22/8/11, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]> wrote: From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]> Subject: [Zen] An example of Absolute Emptiness To: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected] Date: Monday, 22 August, 2011, 17:50 In chapter V of Vimalakirti sutra, he talked about absolute emptiness. I shall translate from Chinese for your reference, the English I use more than likely will not match your search result online..... Why do we often feeling "tired" or "disgusted" on our journey of ferrying others with kindness and good intentions? If you do, please read on... It is so because our compassion in our hearts derives from form and not arise from within. In other words, we feeling tired is because our compassion is from our mind and not from our heart. A consciousness-based compassion is based on form, logic, give and take, balance, purpose and objective. This kind of compassion has a purpose and result oriented, otherwise it can not balance itself. The compassion rises from our hearts are pure giving. Our heart syncs with the hearts of others, and "knowing" that we are all deluded by our mind and not "seeing" that everything is just endless illusions of cause and effect. Our hearts are one of the same. Upon this "synchronization" of hearts, our mind would quiet. We would be able to function with joy and dedication, continuously, effortlessly, naturally and instinctively, with our pure heart. Thank you for your time, JMJM Head Teacher Order of Chan -- Learn the Basics of Chan Meditation... http://www.chan-meditation.org Chan in everyday life... http://www.chanliving.org To be enlightened in this life... http://www.heartchan.org To save our world... http://www.universal-oneness.org
