Anthony, The universe doesn't containt good and bad things. You, your self, your discriminating mind is what assigns the judgements of good and bad to things and events.
When I was getting a beating I might feel like fighting back to protect myself, and even after the beating I might decide to take some kind of action against the perpetrator to try to prevent another beating, mine or someone else's. I don't think I would do this out of revenge, but I might. I hope I wouldn't. ...Bill! --- In [email protected], Anthony Wu <wuasg@...> wrote: > > Bill, >  > Whether the one who beats you is big or small, you may say, like some zen > masters do, you accept it as part of the universe that contains good and bad > things. But deep in the heart, so you feel like gettting revenged? >  > Anthony > > > ________________________________ > From: Bill! <BillSmart@...> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, 28 November 2011, 8:13 > Subject: [Zen] Re: Zen and Buddhism > > >  > Anthony, > > I haven't been beaten for a long time, but I remember feeling stiff and sore. > What difference does it make if the one who beat me was bigger than me? > > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], Anthony Wu <wuasg@> wrote: > > > > Bill, > > à> > How do you feel when you get beaten plus insulted by a big guy almost twice > > your size? > > à> > Anthony > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Bill! <BillSmart@> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Sunday, 27 November 2011, 18:14 > > Subject: [Zen] Re: Zen and Buddhism > > > > > > à> > Anthony, > > > > Why do we need to 'get even'? And what does that even mean? > > > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected], Anthony Wu <wuasg@> wrote: > > > > > > ED, > > > Ãâà> > > I pick '1', except that 'viewing as...existences' should read 'which > > > decides their fate in the present and future existences'. > > > Ãâà> > > That will cover punishment by law of a criminal in the present life. > > > Ãâà> > > Why does law have anything to do with karma? Because if the karma is not > > > ripe, the bad guy just gets away with any felony and enjoys his trophy. > > > That is why we need a future existence to get even. > > > Ãâà> > > Anthony > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: ED <seacrofter001@> > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Sunday, 27 November 2011, 2:13 > > > Subject: [Zen] Re: Zen and Buddhism > > > > > > Ãâà> > > Ãâà> > > Take you pick, or create your own definition of 'karma', but preferably > > > state what it is so that we may correctly understand your > > > POV.ÃâàÃâàÃâà--ED > > > > > > Dictionary > > > karÃâ÷ma > > > nounÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ '/ÃÆ'ââ¬Â¹Ãâ¹Ã¢â¬Â kÃÆ'ärmÃÆ'ââ¬Â°Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢/ÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ ' > > > > > > * (in Hinduism and Buddhism) The sum of a person's actions in this and > > > previous states of existence, viewed as deciding their fate in future > > > existences > > > * Destiny or fate, following as effect from cause > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > Web definitions > > > Ãâà> > > * (Hinduism and Buddhism) the effects of a person's actions that > > > determine his destiny in his next incarnation > > > wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn > > > > > > * > > > * Karma > > > (ÃÆ'àÃâäâââ¬Ã¢ÃÆ'àÃâäÃâðÃÆ'àÃâÃ¥ïÿýÃÆ'àÃâäÃâî > > > ; kamma) in Indian religions is the concept of "action" or "deed", > > > understood as that which causes the entire cycle of cause and effect > > > (i.e., the cycle called saÃÆ'áÃâùÃâ 'sÃÆ'âra) originating > > > in ancient India and treated in Hindu, Jain, Buddhist and Sikh > > > philosophies. > > > en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma > > > > > > * > > > > > > * (Karmic) law. This is a cycle which the New Age movement claims alters > > > your next life. Karmic law means: If you do good in this life, you will > > > be elevated in your next life. If you are bad in this life, you will > > > descend in your next life. Christians do not believe in reincarnation. ... > > > www.fillthevoid.org/NewAge/glossary.html > > > > > > * > > > * Eastern name for the Law of Cause and Effect. The basic Law governing > > > our existence in this solar system. Every thought, every action that we > > > have and make sets into motion a cause. These causes have their effects, > > > which make our lives, for good or ill. ... > > > www.share-international.org/background/glossary/g_main.htm > > > Ãâà> > > * The law of cause and effect. 'Whatsoever a man soeth, that shall he > > > also reap' (Gal. 6:7). > > > www.motherandlanello.com/glossary.php > > > Ãâà> > > Ãâà> > > > > > * Cause and Effect. From an absolute standpoint, karma is the > > > circumstance of the moment. Relatively, it is the endless chain of cause > > > and effect that defines the future events of an individuals life. > > > www.maximumbliss.com/zen dictionary.asp > > > Ãâà> > > Ãâà> > > > > > * The explanation of Karma varies slightly per tradition or philosophy, > > > but the basic principle remains the same: "You reap what you sow" > > > âââ¬Ã¦ "what goes around, comes around" âââ¬Ã¦ or (if > > > you prefer) "an eye for an eye. ... > > > blog.californiapsychics.com/blog/2009/04/psychic-dictionary.htâââ¬Ã¦ > > > > > > * > > > * > > > * A belief that all beings of lifeÃÆ'ögods includedÃÆ'öare > > > subject to the same hopeless cycle of pain, suffering, and rebirth. > > > academics.triton.edu/faculty/mbotterweck/glossary.html > > > > > > * > > > * > > > * action; the act of doing > > > www.healthandyoga.com/yogaglossary.html > > > > > > * > > > * > > > * Literally action; includes the law of cause and effect, the consequence > > > of an action, performing positive actions results in positive results. > > > www.yogaweb.com/yoga/essentials/dictionary.asp > > > > > > * > > > > > > * > > > * is a Sanskrit word whose literal meaning is 'action'. It refers to the > > > law that every action has an equal reaction either immediately or at some > > > point in the future. ... > > > www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/hinduism/concepts/concepts_1âââ¬Ã¦ > > > > > > * > > > > > > * Volition, volitional or intentional activity. Karma is always followed > > > by its fruit, Vipaka. Karma and Vipaka are oftentimes referred to as the > > > law of causality, a cardinal concern in the Teaching of the Buddha. > > > www.sinc.sunysb.edu/Clubs/buddhism/glossary.html > > > > > > Ãâà> > > > > > * The reward or punishment of any action of man is given by Gods order > > > according to merit, God may give it or withhold it. > > > www.sikhs.org/gloss2.htm > > > > > > * > > > * coming most primordially from the hypothesized Indo-European root > > > *k(w)er, and later from the Sanskrit verbal root > > > kÃÆ'áÃâùâââ¬Ãº, means, simply, 'to do'. > > > Monier-Williams gives 'act, action, performance, business' as its primary > > > definitions, and, secondarily, 'office, scpecial duty, occupation, > > > obligation'. ... > > > www.jehsmith.com/1/2010/10/the-fossils-of-concepts-1.html > > > Ãâà> > > Ãâà> > > > > > * The Sanskrit term meaning "action." It refers to a concept in which the > > > results of one's actions accumulate over one's life. Upon death, an > > > individual's karma-this store of the results of actions-determines > > > whether one is reborn in a higher or lower status. > > > uwacadweb.uwyo.edu/religionet/er/hinduism/hglossry.htm > > > > > > * > > > * > > > * A term from Hinduism and Bhuddism for the idea that what goes around > > > comes around. This suggest fate not only within one's life but also in > > > one's reincarnation. > > > library.thinkquest.org/16665/glossary.htm > > > > > > Ãâà> > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! 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