TaoSheiFei, 'Trying' and 'being' are not the same, and I agree with you and admit that in my zen practice of over 40 years I still do a lot of 'trying' along with just 'being'. The ratio of trying:being has steadily improved over the years, but the 'trying' has not yet gone to zero.
...Bill! --- In [email protected], yonyonson@... wrote: > > Bill!, > > In my own practice this has extended to "trying to be with them" or "trying > ..." (when it arises that mind has wandered) and this mindfulness outside > the mind has settled my own BEing. to a beginner's mind--as i fluctuate in > and out of--your statement was neither! > > TaoSheiFei > > On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 11:06 PM, Bill! <BillSmart@...> wrote: > > > ** > > > > > > TaoSheiFei, > > > > When I used the phrase 'being totally with them', I could have just > > shortened it to 'be'. What I meant was whereever you are, whatever you are > > doing or whomever you are with - just totally do that - just be. Don't > > think about what you 'should' do, or whether it matches something you've > > read, or be thinking about what you're going to do afterwards, or how well > > you're doing, etc... > > > > The zen saying for this is: > > > > 'When sitting, sit. When standing, stand. When walking, walk. When > > running, run. Above all don't wobble.' > > > > ...so maybe I could extend these to: 'When being cryptic, be cryptic. When > > being false, be false.' > > > > I hope it came across as one or the other... > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > --- In [email protected], yonyonson@ wrote: > > > > > > Hey Bill!, > > > > > > will u please clarify what "being totally with them" means? the mind is > > > such that your statement could create a myriad of what "just THIS"ness > > is. > > > for a beginner or so-believed-mature seeker, your statement is cryptic at > > > least and false at most... > > > > > > Thank you, > > > TaoSheiFei > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 8:43 PM, Bill! <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amy, > > > > > > > > No reading is necessary. When you are with your family just be totally > > > > with them. That's all you need to do...Bill! > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Amy Lemmon <amylemmon@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I am wondering if anyone has any great suggestions for reading and > > > > resources for a family (multi-age) learning about Zen Buddhism? Thanks > > > > kindly! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With peace, love and kindness, > > > > > Amy Lemmon > > > > > amylemmon@ > > > > > Blog: Six Flower Mom > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
