Anthony, I saw the video of the child being run over by the van, 2 or 3 times, and people just walking by.
I am not a zen master and I certainly wouldn't have just walked by. I would have stopped to help the child and call an ambulance. I don't know anyone who wouldn't do that. What would you have done? ...Bill! --- In [email protected], Anthony Wu <wuasg@...> wrote: > > K, > Â > For a cancer patient, it is simple: take a pain killer. What use for arguing > about pain being information? The question is your attitude toward others' > pain. Do you care about it or treat is as none of your business? > Â > The story I quoted really happened. Again if a zen master was present, would > he be another passer by, or do something to help? That is also a question of > duality. Are 'you' and 'others' the same thing or different? > Â > Anthony > > > ________________________________ > From: Kristopher Grey <kris@...> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, 11 February 2012, 7:30 > Subject: Re: [Zen] What of God? > > > Â > On 2/10/2012 4:45 PM, Anthony Wu wrote: > Â > > > > > >You say, 'Better to drop this idea of "suffering".' > >How can? If you are in great pain, e.g. due to cancer, can you 'drop' the > >idea? > You pick through my words, hoping to find something that conforms to what you > want to believe, while what I'm getting at slips through your fingers. > > Pain is information. Act on it (by simply being with it, and taking actions > to ameliorate when possible). > > Suffering is disinformation. Cease creating it. > > Pain is sensation that arises. Suffering is sensationalizing what arises. > > Pain arises choicelessly. Suffering is the rejection of/attachment to that > pain, falsely believing (out of hope/fear) we can chose something other than > what is present. > > How many more ways does it need to be said? > > Look at it. In you, not others. There is only one mind you can use for this. > > > > Â > >You alsao say, 'A master helps by pointing, and points by helping.' > >In the case of an accident in China a few months ago, a toddler was run over > >by a van, bleeding and crying. 18 people passed by without taking action. > >Then would the master do enough by 'pointing'? > You're spinning different stories (tragic, yes - but I cannot help you now by > going into the past or potential futures). Each used to repeat the same > thinly veiled accusations against imagined people not living up to your > imagined notions of how a "master" is supposed to behave. > > The end of suffering is not realized by exploring such hypothetical pondering > (of real or imagined situations). I was not being glib when I said "only your > expectations can fail you" (this being yet another form of suffering). > > What a "master" does or does not do has no effect on suffering. They can only > point to its nature, which when seen for what it is, makes it clear cessation > the only path to ending it. This ending is effortless, a side effect of > realizing the suffering was false/empty to begin with. > > Being free of suffering, allows us to deal with pain directly (be seeing we > always were). > > Until you realize the nature of suffering, everything that arises will appear > as some form of suffering (supporting the fundamental delusion of me/mine/not > mine). End your own suffering (regardless of what pain arises), then worry > about the suffering of "all sentient beings". > > Long story short: Try to see where I'm pointing, without getting stuck on > this or that point. > > Be the answer. > > K > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
