interesting to watch the zen forum turn into hair splitting philosophical discussion --
It is one of the by products of this thing we nominate as zen, relected in all of our, shall we say, preoccuptions? hallucinations? now we are back to "just this --" but then what is that says the mind, I got some ideas I am not done with, and well . . . you don't know zen, and I could know zen, for there are those who know zen, and I identify with them . . . that's my zen . . . not your zen . . . and then again, Jesus just left Chicago and he is headed towards New Orleans. gasho zendervish --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > Hi Bill, > > Well as you know we have a basic disagreement on this. Forms are illusory > only in the sense they are empty of any self substances, nevertheless they > still exists as empty information forms and part of that existence is they > are a logical structure... > > Edgar > > > > On Apr 6, 2012, at 4:17 PM, Bill! wrote: > > > > > Edgar, > > > > You wrote: "The world of forms operates according to logical rules..." and > > I couldn't really disagree with that statement. However, the world of > > forms is illusory and so are all the logical rules - in fact so is the > > concept of logic itself. The concept of karma as you have rightfully > > proclaimed is just a shadow of the concept of logical rules which are based > > on the concept of cause-and-effect. These all are qualities of the world of > > forms and are all illusory. > > > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > > > > The world of forms operates according to logical rules, just not the > > > rules of Karma which are a gross Pollyanna oversimplification designed to > > > succor the weak and oppressed.. Same as the meek will get their rewards > > > in heaven... > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 6, 2012, at 12:44 AM, Kristopher Grey wrote: > > > > > > > On 4/5/2012 1:16 PM, Edgar Owen wrote: > > > > > > > >> > > > >> This is of course why the notion of Karma is total nonsense.. > > > >> > > > > > > > > No more so than saying so. ;) > > > > > > > > The whole notion of 'Zen' is captured with: "Is that so?", and > > > > dispelled with: "Don't know", yet people still seek some understanding > > > > of this... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TODAY(Beta) Powered by Yahoo! > > > > Rare bone disease destroyed Colo. family > > > > A father accused of child abuse ends up killing his wife and himself. > > > > Privacy Policy > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
