hi k... well well well...one must have something to "cling to" surely.

.. hope... wishful thinking.
.trust..i personally like it.
..it feels firmer than hope it gives a feeling of  confidence... reliability..

. hope is an expectation..

.. how do you say.?..i hope you are well

..i say i trust you are well...more certain..
.
 i trust you understand where i am coming from
 
Merle
www.wix.com/merlewiitpom/1



Airy fairy? You're being too kind Merle. Hope is a lie. Trust is a contract 
built on that lie.


With whom or what is your trust placed? 

What is trust, but hope with more specific intentions and added
    expectations/terms/strings attached? 

Intention is Karma, Expectations are suffering.

I mostly deal in probabilities, mathematical or experiential, like
    the probability the sun will appear to rise in a few hours. The
    probability a friend does as they say, or a business partner holds
    up their end of an agreement. Odds are it will be so. I don't need
    to trust in this, or believe it, and certainly don't know it will
    happen. Sometimes we get it right, sometimes not. Keeps it fresh.
    Mostly, we don't even need to make these gambles, but paying the
    odds is part of minds normal functioning, and it does so pretty
    well. Perhaps too well, when people begin to believe they can trust
    it... That is imagined, drawing on another natural attribute of
    mind. ;)

K



On 6/10/2012 12:57 AM, Merle Lester wrote: 
  
>
>
>i prefer the concept trust..hope is too airy fairy
> merle
>
>
>  
>Hope, is one of "those enormously long forks."
>
>For some, hope is a dream inspiring their
                          work. For others, a fantasy enabling them to
                          put off their work. Either way, hope doesn't
                          work.
>
>Likewise, fear can inspire both action and
                          inaction but, fear does not act.
>
>People believe and deny what they will (which
                          I suppose, is another way to say "do the best
                          you want"! *L*). Such
                          self-defining/delineating/limiting acts change
                          nothing, prevent nothing. However this
                          appears, it only appears otherwise from
                          whatever perspective is held.
>
>'Zen' drops the "how" from however, the "hope"
                          from hopefulness, the "skill" from
                          skillfulness, the "za" from zazen...
>
>Expressions of Zen
>Illusory forms remain
>Ever elusive
>
>K
>
>
>
>On 6/8/2012 9:07 PM, Joe wrote: 
>  
>>K,
>>
>>The hungry ghosts feed each other, we
                              hear, with those enormously long forks,
                              and cannot feed themselves. Anyway, so the
                              nice story goes. Not a bad story, and a
                              lesson in there. ;-)
>>
>>Expression is one of the Skilful Means to
                              develop in our practice. Well, teachers
                              and students consider it important.
>>
>>I always say, "do the best you want".
                              There's a hope in there, as well as
                              encouragement. And an incentive to drop or
                              ignore perceived limits.
>>
>>--Joe
>>
>>> No matter how one serves, Dharma
                              cannot feed hungry ghosts.
>>
>>
>
>
>

 

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