If I may share my witness...
Chan is the nature of everything. This nature is embedded in all of us
as well as everything around us. This nature can not be, as well as no
need to be, understood, controlled, managed, forecast, memorized,
worshiped, trust, hoped, etc. It is so because it just a set of
characteristics, or we may call it the laws of nature.
When our mind is empty and intentions are quiet, then this nature is in
sync internally and externally. All harmonized, peace and as is.
jm
On 6/10/2012 7:13 AM, Kristopher Grey wrote:
Of course, it has to take some form, and have some description, to be
shared. Still, even as these are aspects of suchness, including
apparent clinging, there is no lack this fills. If you prefer to
called this trust, so be it. I enjoy you perspective.
Without intention or expectation,
K
On 6/10/2012 4:04 AM, Merle Lester wrote:
hi k... well well well...one must have something to "cling to" surely.
.. hope... wishful thinking.
.trust..i personally like it.
..it feels firmer than hope it gives a feeling of confidence...
reliability..
. hope is an expectation..
.. how do you say.?..i hope you are well
..i say i trust you are well...more certain..
.
i trust you understand where i am coming from
Merle
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Airy fairy? You're being too kind Merle. Hope is a lie. Trust is a
contract built on that lie.
With whom or what is your trust placed?
What is trust, but hope with more specific intentions and added
expectations/terms/strings attached?
Intention is Karma, Expectations are suffering.
I mostly deal in probabilities, mathematical or experiential, like
the probability the sun will appear to rise in a few hours. The
probability a friend does as they say, or a business partner holds up
their end of an agreement. Odds are it will be so. I don't need to
trust in this, or believe it, and certainly don't know it will
happen. Sometimes we get it right, sometimes not. Keeps it fresh.
Mostly, we don't even need to make these gambles, but paying the odds
is part of minds normal functioning, and it does so pretty well.
Perhaps too well, when people begin to believe they can trust it...
That is imagined, drawing on another natural attribute of mind. ;)
K
On 6/10/2012 12:57 AM, Merle Lester wrote:
i prefer the concept trust..hope is too airy fairy
merle
Hope, is one of "those enormously long forks."
For some, hope is a dream inspiring their work. For others, a
fantasy enabling them to put off their work. Either way, hope
doesn't work.
Likewise, fear can inspire both action and inaction but, fear does
not act.
People believe and deny what they will (which I suppose, is another
way to say "do the best you want"! *L*). Such
self-defining/delineating/limiting acts change nothing, prevent
nothing. However this appears, it only appears otherwise from
whatever perspective is held.
'Zen' drops the "how" from however, the "hope" from hopefulness, the
"skill" from skillfulness, the "za" from zazen...
Expressions of Zen
Illusory forms remain
Ever elusive
K
On 6/8/2012 9:07 PM, Joe wrote:
K,
The hungry ghosts feed each other, we hear, with those enormously
long forks, and cannot feed themselves. Anyway, so the nice story
goes. Not a bad story, and a lesson in there. ;-)
Expression is one of the Skilful Means to develop in our practice.
Well, teachers and students consider it important.
I always say, "do the best you want". There's a hope in there, as
well as encouragement. And an incentive to drop or ignore perceived
limits.
--Joe
> No matter how one serves, Dharma cannot feed hungry ghosts.
