We can do nothing else.

K

On 6/15/2012 6:41 AM, mike brown wrote:

K,

Half dozen steps back
No one to travel North with
North, South, East, West meet.

But this is only half the story (That our true nature is already pure and enlightened). I share Huineneg's student Shen Hui's view:

"All those who want to learn the Tao (Way) must achieve Sudden Enlightenment to be followed by Gradual Cultivation. It is like child-birth, which is a sudden affair, but the child will require a long process of nurture and education before he attains his full bodily and intellectual growth."

Mike

--- On *Fri, 15/6/12, Kristopher Grey /<[email protected]>/* wrote:


    From: Kristopher Grey <[email protected]>
    Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: The Self Illusion
    To: [email protected]
    Date: Friday, 15 June, 2012, 14:37

    The 6th patriarch Hui-Neng is referring to an old story. Take a
    half dozen steps back, and see what the red bearded barbarian who
    came from the west had to say to Emperor Wu of Han - known at that
    time as 'The Emperor Bodhisattva' - before heading north.

    Aloha

    K

    On 6/14/2012 8:18 PM, mike brown wrote:

    K,

    Wasn't it Huineng who said something like people exist as
    northerners and southerners, but there is no difference in Buddha
    Nature between the barbarian and from the north and the holyman
    from the south. The people I'm concerned with are the barbarians
    from the north who aren't awakened like the holyman. In the main,
    the barbarian needs to cultivate compassion thru practice if he
    is to go from shrinking his enemies head to caring for his
    enemies sick. Pointing out that - in truth - there is no
    difference in their Buddha Nature just might not be enough..

    With metta

    Mike the Barbarian

    --- On *Fri, 15/6/12, Kristopher Grey /<[email protected]>
    </mc/[email protected]>/* wrote:


        From: Kristopher Grey <[email protected]>
        </mc/[email protected]>
        Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: The Self Illusion
        To: [email protected]
        </mc/[email protected]>
        Date: Friday, 15 June, 2012, 4:45

        What's to like? ;)

        Why attach this one point, if not to ignore the rest?

        Assuming a position of I like/dislike, a condition identified
        with more/less....  is mind's attachment to mind. Thank you
        for so clearly illustrating my feeble pointing! *L*

        Sure, these thoughts and feelings arise - and preferences for
        this or that are not automatically problems when just aspects
        of this expressing as personality - but seeking is always
        seeking either more, or less - to  feed, or  starve  the
        hungry ghosts of self-like, or self-hate - not realizing self
        as "more or less" (essentially) empty - an interdependency
        without independent origination - thus lacking nothing.

        K




        On 6/14/2012 2:07 PM, mike brown wrote:

        K,

        >Compassion does not require you understand, like, condone,
        or otherwise be "OK" with people who do terrible things<

        You've just defined 'compassion' out of existence. I like
        that even more.

        Mike





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