indeed
 merle
  
We can do nothing else.

K

On 6/15/2012 6:41 AM, mike brown wrote: 
  
>K,
>
>Half dozen steps back
>No one to travel North with
>North, South, East, West meet.
>
>But this is only half the story (That our true
                      nature is already pure and enlightened). I share
                      Huineneg's student Shen Hui's view:
>
> "All those who want to learn the Tao (Way) must
                      achieve Sudden Enlightenment to be followed by
                      Gradual Cultivation. It is like child-birth, which
                      is a sudden affair, but the child will require a
                      long process of nurture and education before he
                      attains his full bodily and intellectual growth." 
>
>Mike
>
>--- On Fri, 15/6/12, Kristopher Grey <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>From: Kristopher Grey <[email protected]>
>>Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: The Self Illusion
>>To: [email protected]
>>Date: Friday, 15 June, 2012, 14:37
>>
>>
>>  
>>The 6th patriarch Hui-Neng is referring to an old story. Take a half dozen 
>>steps back, and see what the red bearded barbarian who came from the west had 
>>to say to Emperor Wu of Han - known at that time as 'The Emperor Bodhisattva' 
>>- before heading north.
>>
>>Aloha
>>
>>K
>>
>>On 6/14/2012 8:18 PM, mike brown wrote: 
>>  
>>>K,
>>>
>>>Wasn't it Huineng who said
                                            something like people exist
                                            as northerners and
                                            southerners, but there is no
                                            difference in Buddha Nature
                                            between the barbarian and
                                            from the north and the
                                            holyman from the south. The
                                            people I'm concerned with
                                            are the barbarians from the
                                            north who aren't awakened
                                            like the holyman. In the
                                            main, the barbarian needs to
                                            cultivate compassion thru
                                            practice if he is to go from
                                            shrinking his enemies head
                                            to caring for his enemies
                                            sick. Pointing out that - in
                                            truth - there is no
                                            difference in their Buddha
                                            Nature just might not be
                                            enough..  
>>>
>>>With metta
>>>
>>>Mike the Barbarian
>>>
>>>--- On Fri, 15/6/12, Kristopher Grey <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: Kristopher Grey <[email protected]>
>>>>Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: The
                                              Self Illusion
>>>>To: [email protected]
>>>>Date: Friday, 15 June,
                                              2012, 4:45
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>What's to like? ;)
>>>>
>>>>Why attach this
                                                      one point, if not
                                                      to ignore the
                                                      rest?
>>>>
>>>>Assuming a
                                                      position of I
                                                      like/dislike, a
                                                      condition
                                                      identified with
                                                      more/less....  is
                                                      mind's attachment
                                                      to mind. Thank you
                                                      for so clearly
                                                      illustrating my
                                                      feeble pointing!
                                                      *L*
>>>>
>>>>Sure, these
                                                      thoughts and
                                                      feelings arise -
                                                      and preferences
                                                      for this or that
                                                      are not
                                                      automatically
                                                      problems when just
                                                      aspects of this
                                                      expressing as
                                                      personality - but
                                                      seeking is always
                                                      seeking either
                                                      more, or less -
                                                      to  feed, or 
                                                      starve  the hungry
                                                      ghosts of
                                                      self-like, or
                                                      self-hate - not
                                                      realizing self as
                                                      "more or less"
                                                      (essentially)
                                                      empty - an
                                                      interdependency
                                                      without
                                                      independent
                                                      origination - thus
                                                      lacking nothing.
>>>>
>>>>K
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On 6/14/2012 2:07
                                                      PM, mike brown
                                                      wrote: 
>>>>  
>>>>>K,
>>>>>
>>>>>>Compassion
                                                          does not
                                                          require you
                                                          understand,
                                                          like, condone,
                                                          or otherwise
                                                          be "OK" with
                                                          people who do
                                                          terrible
                                                          things<
>>>>>
>>>>>You've just
                                                          defined
                                                          'compassion'
                                                          out of
                                                          existence. I
                                                          like that even
                                                          more.
>>>>>
>>>>>Mike
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 

 

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