Howdy, Kris,

Negative.

I won't keep the truth from you, nor will I acquiesce in emphasizing it (for 
all who are interested).  It's what I have promised to do.

Of course, you must find out for yourself, in yourself.  All I can do is point 
in quite the CORRECT direction.  And *test* you afterwards.  ;-)

And, not odd at all; Ch'an Master Sheng Yen was nothing if not Orthodox, and he 
knew whereof he spoke, because he was a great Practitioner, as well as a great 
scholar, one of the greatest practitioners since Ch'an Master Hsu Yun in China 
of last century.

Sheng Yen's line is entirely orthodox Ch'an, so, when he or I speak of 
Emptiness as the essence of Buddhist enlightenment, it is truly the *bottom* 
line (as low as the Limbo-Walker can go), as transmitted since about the year 
500 CE in old China.

Without the experience of Emptiness, it just is not Ch'an.  That is the only 
point.  It might be lovely Hinduism, but it is not Ch'an enlightenment.  This 
is why we have Teachers!

Wish I could show ya.  Come sit with our new Ch'an sangha in this warm desert.  
;-)

--Joe

> Kristopher Grey <kris@...> wrote:
>
> > BUDDHIST enlightenment.
> 
> 
> [snip] Does this not appear as the ultimate corruption of Buddha's 
> teaching! *L*
> 
> No Buddha attains such a thing!
> 
> Surely just a odd paraphrasing of your venerable master?




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