Odd it appears you mistake my point for an attack on orthodoxy, and
imply it indicates a lack of realization, rather recognizing it as a
simple a pointer to any zen orthodoxy not being 'zen'.
Conjoined phrases like "BUDDHIST Enlightement" (or "Zen Satori") - are a
form of branding, and a great pointer to the error of attachment. No
labels stick to suchness - that word itself just an empty pointer.
Tao is not Taoist. Buddha is not Buddhist. Zen is not Zennist. Gnosis is
not Gnostic. Christ is not Christian. All such teachings offer ways to
realize this, none are required.
K
PS - Having read a bit from your master teacher, I do find him quite the
gem. Perhaps, in this light, you have become bedazzled? ;)
On 7/9/2012 3:29 PM, Joe wrote:
Howdy, Kris,
Negative.
I won't keep the truth from you, nor will I acquiesce in emphasizing
it (for all who are interested). It's what I have promised to do.
Of course, you must find out for yourself, in yourself. All I can do
is point in quite the CORRECT direction. And *test* you afterwards. ;-)
And, not odd at all; Ch'an Master Sheng Yen was nothing if not
Orthodox, and he knew whereof he spoke, because he was a great
Practitioner, as well as a great scholar, one of the greatest
practitioners since Ch'an Master Hsu Yun in China of last century.
Sheng Yen's line is entirely orthodox Ch'an, so, when he or I speak of
Emptiness as the essence of Buddhist enlightenment, it is truly the
*bottom* line (as low as the Limbo-Walker can go), as transmitted
since about the year 500 CE in old China.
Without the experience of Emptiness, it just is not Ch'an. That is the
only point. It might be lovely Hinduism, but it is not Ch'an
enlightenment. This is why we have Teachers!
Wish I could show ya. Come sit with our new Ch'an sangha in this warm
desert. ;-)
--Joe
> Kristopher Grey <kris@...> wrote:
>
> > BUDDHIST enlightenment.
>
>
> [snip] Does this not appear as the ultimate corruption of Buddha's
> teaching! *L*
>
> No Buddha attains such a thing!
>
> Surely just a odd paraphrasing of your venerable master?
