Shikantaza is part of my zen practice. No problems! Just THIS!
...Bill! --- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@...> wrote: > > JMJM, > > >---- Shigantaza is not what we practice. > > Problem solved! > > Mike > > > > ________________________________ > From: 覺å¦ç²¾æ ï¼JMJMï¼ <chan.jmjm@...> > To: [email protected] > Cc: mike brown <uerusuboyo@...> > Sent: Friday, 3 August 2012, 22:28 > Subject: Re: [Zen] Samadhi > > >  > Oh Mike, > > When I say more, I mean more experience for John. It will take him > sometime to be truly detached from forms and arrive at the middle > way. > > Since you prefer to get deep into the muddy form of words ---- > Shigantaza is not what we practice. Historically Chan is the parent > of zen. Is it possible that some of the authentic Chan practice is > missing from zen? Yet... > > This kind of discussion does help anyone. > > What we need to do is not to poke at the difference in our mental > understandings or description of practice. There is no dharma in > words. Dharma as you have experienced, needs to be received by our > Heart Chakra, directly, instantly without fear. Isn't that what > Diamond Sutra continuously trying to tell us? > > Most of us are fearful of loosing whatever concepts of dharma we > acquired. We need to let everyone relax, so to forget every thread > of dharma in our mind. Open our Heart chakra and resonate with the > wisdom of each moment. > > _/\_ > jm > > > On 8/3/2012 2:15 PM, mike brown wrote: > >  > >JMJM, > > > > > >I don't wish to sound like I'm demeaning John's experience, I'm very happy > >that he finally discovered something of importance to him, but you > >originally said he did more than just witness this event. Anything more is > >not shikantaza as I understand it. Sometimes we have to categorise. > >Shikantaza is not TM or bhakti yoga meditation. There are differences. > > > > > > > >Mike > > > > > > > >________________________________ > > From: 覺å¦ç²¾æ ï¼JMJMï¼ <chan.jmjm@...> > >To: [email protected] > >Sent: Friday, 3 August 2012, 19:35 > >Subject: Re: [Zen] Samadhi > > > > > > > >Hi Mike, > > > >Thank you, but there is no need to > categorize. John was merely grateful that he > "finally" witness the description of "love, > grace and holy spirit." > > > >I am sure John will experience the rest as he > continue to purify his body and mind, just > like the rest of us. > > > >jm > > > > > > > >On 8/3/2012 10:34 AM, mike brown wrote: > > > > > >>JMJM, > >> > >> > >>I could be wrong, but if your colleague broke down and cried after being > >>filled with the Holy Ghost, then I think at some point his sitting stopped > >>being shikantaza, if indeed it ever was. My understanding is that there > >>would be equanimity, awareness and just simple observation of what was > >>happening if it was shikantaza. I'm sure one of our more experienced > >>members will clarify the matter for us. > >> > >> > >>Mike > >> > >> > >> > >>________________________________ > >> From: 覺å¦ç²¾æ ï¼JMJMï¼ <chan.jmjm@...> > >>To: [email protected] > >>Cc: Bill! <BillSmart@...> > >>Sent: Friday, 3 August 2012, 16:53 > >>Subject: Re: [Zen] Samadhi > >> > >> > >> > >>Yes, That's exactly how one of our practitioner, John Ip, described his > >>experience. John is a devoted Christian for over 20 years. Last month, > >>he shared, instead of words words and words, after enhancing his physical > >>state, the Holy Ghost comes into him and he broke down and cried. He > >>practices in our Family Meditation program in our community library for > >>about 5 months. Now he sits longer and longer everyday. > >> > >>I told him, "Holy Spirit is > called Dharmakaya in > Buddhism. Same energy, just > different names. And that is > just the beginning." > >> > >>Many of our practitioners > witnesses an "explosion" from > their heart chakra. There > were no fear. Our Teacher > said, "when there is white > light from the Heart Chakra, > then you have witness Buddha > Nature." My sister-in-law > witnesses white light every > time she sits. She "knows" > phenomena of previous > generations of other > practitioners and helps them > to "resolve" many karma. > >> > >>As to Mike's statement that he > can recognize but can not > express is a perfect example > that when we surpass our > skandhas, or regular senses, > we reach a wider state of > awareness, far beyond we can > describe by words, logic. It > is direct, instant and right. > >> > >>Some discussions in this forum > mixing up the description for > the two states, one is limited > and the other is wider, and > initiated some discussion. > Depending on the scope and > sensitivity of our awareness, > the languages and dictionary > are different. Only when we > abandon our dictionary; > experience; then could we > witness the state of being of > others. Discussion through > words are very dangerous. > Thus Chan is without words and > transmitted in addition to > teaching. > >> > >>When someday, whatever people > say, we say "ah, yes." without > analyzing, debating, defense, > then we are truly in each > moment and live in sync with > the wisdom and life force of > the universe. > >> > >>Good Day and Thank you for > reading this. > >>_/\_ > >>JM > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>On 8/3/2012 3:24 AM, Bill! wrote: > >> > >> > >>>Mike, > >>> > >>>I would describe it as > something similar to being > filled with the Holy > Spirit and giving yourself > over COMPLETELY to God's > will. > >>> > >>>Bill! (not Joe or Bill) > >>> > >>>--- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Joe, > >>>> > >>>> How would you > describe shikantaza to > someone from a religion > such as Christianity? > >>>> > >>>> Mike > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > ________________________________ > >>>> From: Joe <desert_woodworker@> > >>>> To: [email protected] > >>>> Sent: Friday, 3 > August 2012, 3:24 > >>>> Subject: Re: [Zen] > Samadhi > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> à> >>>> Shikantaza is "just > keeping empty". In the Zen > sect. > >>>> > >>>> I'll say no more! > >>>> > >>>> --Joe > >>>> > >>>> > > >>>> >"ED" > <seacrofter001@> > wrote: > >>>> > > >>>> > Mike, > >>>> > > >>>> > Is shikantaza > insight meditation, > absorption meditation or > both? > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! 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