Yes, That's exactly how one of our practitioner, John Ip, described his
experience. John is a devoted Christian for over 20 years. Last month,
he shared, instead of words words and words, after enhancing his
physical state, the Holy Ghost comes into him and he broke down and
cried. He practices in our Family Meditation program in our community
library for about 5 months. Now he sits longer and longer everyday.
I told him, "Holy Spirit is called Dharmakaya in Buddhism. Same energy,
just different names. And that is just the beginning."
Many of our practitioners witnesses an "explosion" from their heart
chakra. There were no fear. Our Teacher said, "when there is white
light from the Heart Chakra, then you have witness Buddha Nature." My
sister-in-law witnesses white light every time she sits. She "knows"
phenomena of previous generations of other practitioners and helps them
to "resolve" many karma.
As to Mike's statement that he can recognize but can not express is a
perfect example that when we surpass our skandhas, or regular senses, we
reach a wider state of awareness, far beyond we can describe by words,
logic. It is direct, instant and right.
Some discussions in this forum mixing up the description for the two
states, one is limited and the other is wider, and initiated some
discussion. Depending on the scope and sensitivity of our awareness,
the languages and dictionary are different. Only when we abandon our
dictionary; experience; then could we witness the state of being of
others. Discussion through words are very dangerous. Thus Chan is
without words and transmitted in addition to teaching.
When someday, whatever people say, we say "ah, yes." without analyzing,
debating, defense, then we are truly in each moment and live in sync
with the wisdom and life force of the universe.
Good Day and Thank you for reading this.
_/\_
JM
On 8/3/2012 3:24 AM, Bill! wrote:
Mike,
I would describe it as something similar to being filled with the Holy
Spirit and giving yourself over COMPLETELY to God's will.
Bill! (not Joe or Bill)
--- In [email protected] <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>,
mike brown <uerusuboyo@...> wrote:
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> Joe,
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> How would you describe shikantaza to someone from a religion such as
Christianity?
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> Mike
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> ________________________________
> From: Joe <desert_woodworker@...>
> To: [email protected] <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, 3 August 2012, 3:24
> Subject: Re: [Zen] Samadhi
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> Shikantaza is "just keeping empty". In the Zen sect.
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> I'll say no more!
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> --Joe
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> >"ED" <seacrofter001@> wrote:
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> > Mike,
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> > Is shikantaza insight meditation, absorption meditation or both?
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