Mike, You've hit upon the biggest objection I have to religions when you asked: "Where do Christians get there morals from...?" The problem is they get them from their religion. In the case of Christianity it is from (listed from best to worst IMO) Jesus's teachings, The Bible or their priest. They should be getting them from the Holy Ghost (Buddha Nature).
You don't need a religion to experience the Holy Ghost or Buddha Nature. ...Bill! --- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@...> wrote: > > Bill!, > > I'd rather be possessed by 'me' than a spook in a white sheet who did it with > a married man's wife (Where do Christians get there morals from again?..). > > Mike > > Ps Oops! That wasn't a dig at you, Merle :) > > > > ________________________________ > From: Bill! <BillSmart@...> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, 4 August 2012, 2:31 > Subject: Re: [Zen] Samadhi > > >  > Mike, > > Actually that mean YOU have bee DIS-POSSESSED...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@> wrote: > > > > Bill! > > > > Oh my god! Does that mean I'm possessed?? > > > > Mike 666 > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Bill! <BillSmart@> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Saturday, 4 August 2012, 1:57 > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Samadhi > > > > > > à> > Mike, > > > > To be 'filled' with the Holy Spirit means there is no longer any room for > > your 'self'. Then there is no longer any self/other dualism. There is > > only Buddha Nature. Just THIS! > > > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@> wrote: > > > > > > Bill! > > > > > > > > > The (Holy) ghost in the machine, perhaps? I dunno about your description, > > > tho. Isn't "to be filled" a bit different from 'empty'? Plus, when I hear > > > those happy clappy born-agains say they're filled with the Holy Spirit, > > > they seem quite a different animal from a Zen practioner sitting in > > > shikantaza. > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Bill! <BillSmart@> > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Friday, 3 August 2012, 11:24 > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Samadhi > > > > > > > > > Ãâà> > > Mike, > > > > > > I would describe it as something similar to being filled with the Holy > > > Spirit and giving yourself over COMPLETELY to God's will. > > > > > > Bill! (not Joe or Bill) > > > > > > --- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Joe, > > > > > > > > How would you describe shikantaza to someone from a religion such as > > > > Christianity? > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: Joe <desert_woodworker@> > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Sent: Friday, 3 August 2012, 3:24 > > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Samadhi > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> > > > Shikantaza is "just keeping empty". In the Zen sect. > > > > > > > > I'll say no more! > > > > > > > > --Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > >"ED" <seacrofter001@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Mike, > > > > > > > > > > Is shikantaza insight meditation, absorption meditation or both? > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
