Joe, Of course we can be deluded. I was merely answering the question from my experience and IMO of what the Christian equivalent to shikantaza would be.
Filling/emptying are dualistic terms. I used them to describe something. That is all. Buddha Nature (and IMO Holy Ghost) are not dualistic, but they are talked about with dualistic language - like 'I am aware of Buddha Nature', or labels like 'Father, Son and Holy Ghost/Spirit'. These dualism don't overly concern me as long as they are not taken literally. The problem with Christianity (IMO) is that most Christians do take the Bible and it's account of Jesus' teachings absolutely literally. As far as testing, who is there that could apply that test? ...Bill! --- In [email protected], "Joe" <desert_woodworker@...> wrote: > > Bill, > > It's not like me to do so, but I urge caution, there. > > Lots of things can displace our familiar self. Not all of it is laudable. > For some, the Holy Spirit might not be laudable. Especially if it was some > reasonable (to us) facsimile which had us believe it was "of-God", but not > exact facsimile. We could be deluded, in other words. > > This is where a Zen teacher is needed, to test us. ;-) > > She shall also have to test us about "this", the "Just This" you often > mention. We may be vastly deluded there, TOO. You never know, you know. > Submit a sample and be tested. ;-) > > --Joe > > > "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > Mike, > > > > To be 'filled' with the Holy Spirit means there is no longer any room for > > your 'self'. Then there is no longer any self/other dualism. There is > > only Buddha Nature. Just THIS! > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
