Thanks, Ed.

Well, that's a challenge.

I have not been much of a koan-worker.  And this story about Hyakujo 
(Pai-chang) and the fox is indeed Case No. 2 of the Wu-Men Kuan (Mumonkan), 
pretty fundaamental in the koan-curriculum.

Aitken Roshi writes that CONCEPTS of karma and essential nature can be wildly 
mistaken.  Of that I have no doubt.

We can ask: Why did the earlier Pai-Chang's answer consign the hearer to 500 
lifetimes as a fox, and the recent Pai-Chang's answer result in liberation?

In the second part (Act Two!), Huang-po reputedly slaps his teacher, and his 
teacher, Pai-chang laughs, claps his hands, and essentially gives assent to 
Huang-po, and likens him to Bodhidharma.  Huang-po went on to become, and to 
be, a great teacher, and successor of Pai-chang.

But this is mostly history; I doubt it answers your question!

So... but... Aitken writes, again: 

"You understand the story of Pai-chang and the fox to the degree that you 
understand yourself".

I'll keep out of this!  

;-)

--Joe

> "ED" <seacrofter001@...> wrote:
>
> Joe,
> 
> Can you provide an answer that is not Zen-speak?




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