Kristopher,

There is a big difference between redefining words and actually believing big 
snakes fly through the sky or that Thor brings the rain rather than natural 
processes. That should be clear to everyone... Believing otherwise is delusion, 
not Zen...

Edgar



On Aug 29, 2012, at 1:03 PM, Kristopher Grey wrote:

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> If people, instead of calling them 'clouds' called them 'rainbow serpents', 
> there would be rainbow serpents in a cloudless sky.
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> Believe what you will. It is not necessary to convince others that your 
> dreams are real to you.
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> KG
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> On 8/29/2012 7:42 AM, Edgar Owen wrote:
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>> Kristopher,
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>> No, that's a misunderstanding. There is a distinction between true and false 
>> beliefs. True beliefs are consistent with the intrinsic logic of reality, 
>> false beliefs are not...
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>> There are no rainbow serpents flying through the air. There are clouds up 
>> there though...
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>> Edgar
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>> On Aug 28, 2012, at 11:56 PM, Kristopher Grey wrote:
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>> > On 8/28/2012 8:35 PM, Edgar Owen wrote:
>> >> Sure there are plenty of nature spirit religions. They are ALL 
>> >> delusions...
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>> > As is your surety.
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>> > KG
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