Much of 'Zen' appears as nonsense. Doesn't mean it is, or isn't.
So long as you assume a belief that I believe anything (or that anyone
needs to), nothing I can say will appear otherwise to you.
Believe, or not. 'Mountain, no mountain...' has nothing to do with '...
mountain.'
KG
On 8/29/2012 6:45 PM, Edgar Owen wrote:
Kristopher,
The notion that there is no such thing as truth which you seem to be
asserting is nonsense and certainly not Zen. Correct me if I'm wrong
about what you believe...
Edgar
On Aug 29, 2012, at 5:32 PM, Kristopher Grey wrote:
It is clear you know a great deal about this.
Is your mind to full to take my meaning, and so instead keep offering
your own? I am not talking about what this is or isn't - I'm only
pointing to the erroneous presumption inherent in thinking/calling it
anything.
KG
On 8/29/2012 3:38 PM, Edgar Owen wrote:
Kristopher,
There is a big difference between redefining words and actually
believing big snakes fly through the sky or that Thor brings the
rain rather than natural processes. That should be clear to
everyone... Believing otherwise is delusion, not Zen...
Edgar
On Aug 29, 2012, at 1:03 PM, Kristopher Grey wrote:
If people, instead of calling them 'clouds' called them 'rainbow
serpents', there would be rainbow serpents in a cloudless sky.
Believe what you will. It is not necessary to convince others that
your dreams are real to you.
KG
On 8/29/2012 7:42 AM, Edgar Owen wrote:
Kristopher,
No, that's a misunderstanding. There is a distinction between true
and false beliefs. True beliefs are consistent with the intrinsic
logic of reality, false beliefs are not...
There are no rainbow serpents flying through the air. There are
clouds up there though...
Edgar
On Aug 28, 2012, at 11:56 PM, Kristopher Grey wrote:
> On 8/28/2012 8:35 PM, Edgar Owen wrote:
>> Sure there are plenty of nature spirit religions. They are ALL
>> delusions...
>>
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> As is your surety.
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> KG
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