Kris, >I might point out that apparent obscuration is no less reality than apparent >clarity
Reality is certainly there regardless, but reality seen with obscuration leads to suffering, whereas reality seen with clarity will lead to the cessation of suffering. That's all I need to know and that is my witness. Mike ________________________________ From: Kristopher Grey <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, 2 September 2012, 16:11 Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: " dancing with the daffodils" I might point out that apparent obscuration is no less reality than apparent clarity. In doing so, this point only dances around itself - offers nothing you can't realize directly. What can anyone say in response that you will not directly experience (realize) as some aspect of this reality/realization- whether you realize it or not - just as when experiencing meditation/not meditation? This more or less business is you triangulating your position. Nothing more, nothing less. KG On 9/2/2012 5:57 AM, mike brown wrote: >Edgar, > > >Wouldn't you say tho, that reality is less obscured during, or just after, a >long retreat of meditation? > > >Mike > > > >________________________________ > From: Edgar Owen <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Sunday, 2 September 2012, 1:13 >Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: " dancing with the daffodils" > > > >Mike, > > >Well, it's reality either way, but that reality is always changing as >happening continually flows through the present moment. But however it changes >it is still reality.... > > >Edgar > > > > > > >On Sep 1, 2012, at 6:09 PM, mike brown wrote: > > >> >> >>Edgar, >> >> >>Would you say that the world (inner/outer) you look at now is the same as >>when you're at the end of a sesshin? >> >> >> >>Mike >> >> >> >> >> >>________________________________ >> From: Edgar Owen <[email protected]> >>To: [email protected] >>Sent: Saturday, 1 September 2012, 18:44 >>Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: " dancing with the daffodils" >> >> >> >>ED, >> >> >>Stop practicing and just BE your Buddha Nature! >> >> >>Edgar >> >> >> >> >>On Sep 1, 2012, at 12:22 PM, ED wrote: >> >> >>> >>> >>>Edgar, >>> >>>Therefore, although each of us is complete, we need to practice >>>diligently at all times with no objective in mind? >>> >>>--ED >>> >>>--- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: >>>> >>>> Joe and Merle, >>>> >>>> There is no 'goal' of enlightenment to be achieved without which you >>>imagine you are incomplete.... >>>> >>>> There is no incompleteness. This understanding is an essential aspect >>>of realization... >>>> >>>> Wham! >>>> >>>> Edgar >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > >
