So it appears. Seen, said, heard. Same. Suchness.
KG
On 9/2/2012 1:26 PM, mike brown wrote:
Kris,
>"Don't know" (Which only appears to be a pithy zen saying when seen so)
Or said so.
Mike
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*From:* Kristopher Grey <[email protected]>
*To:* [email protected]
*Sent:* Sunday, 2 September 2012, 16:14
*Subject:* Re: [Zen] Re: " dancing with the daffodils"
With or without. Why decide?
"Don't know" (Which only appears to be a pithy zen saying when seen so)
KG
On 9/2/2012 7:46 AM, mike brown wrote:
Edgar,
Of course Realisation is not something that happens only inside
monastry walls, but it also doesn't come from understanding words
like "ontological" and "cognitive simulation model" either.
Mike
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*From:* Edgar Owen <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* Sunday, 2 September 2012, 12:31
*Subject:* Re: [Zen] Re: " dancing with the daffodils"
Mike,
There are certainly times it is, but that can happen at any time....
Realization is not just something that occurs inside monastery
walls... It has nothing to do with that... It's just opening to
reality and reality is everywhere...
Edgar
On Sep 2, 2012, at 5:57 AM, mike brown wrote:
Edgar,
Wouldn't you say tho, that reality is less obscured during, or just
after, a long retreat of meditation?
Mike
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*From:* Edgar Owen <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* Sunday, 2 September 2012, 1:13
*Subject:* Re: [Zen] Re: " dancing with the daffodils"
Mike,
Well, it's reality either way, but that reality is always changing
as happening continually flows through the present moment. But
however it changes it is still reality....
Edgar
On Sep 1, 2012, at 6:09 PM, mike brown wrote:
Edgar,
Would you say that the world (inner/outer) you look at now is the
same as when you're at the end of a sesshin?
Mike
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*From:* Edgar Owen <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* Saturday, 1 September 2012, 18:44
*Subject:* Re: [Zen] Re: " dancing with the daffodils"
ED,
Stop practicing and just BE your Buddha Nature!
Edgar
On Sep 1, 2012, at 12:22 PM, ED wrote:
Edgar,
Therefore, although each of us is complete, we need to practice
diligently at all times with no objective in mind?
--ED
--- In [email protected]
<mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...>
<mailto:edgarowen@...> wrote:
>
> Joe and Merle,
>
> There is no 'goal' of enlightenment to be achieved without which you
imagine you are incomplete....
>
> There is no incompleteness. This understanding is an essential
aspect
of realization...
>
> Wham!
>
> Edgar
