I agree with Mike's statement...Bill!
--- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@...> wrote:
>
> Kris,
>
> >I might point out that apparent obscuration is no less reality than apparent
> >clarity
>
> Reality is certainly there regardless, but reality seen with obscuration
> leads to suffering, whereas reality seen with clarity will lead to the
> cessation of suffering. That's all I need to know and that is my witness.Â
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Kristopher Grey <kris@...>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Sunday, 2 September 2012, 16:11
> Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: " dancing with the daffodils"
>
>
> Â
> I might point out that apparent obscuration is no less reality than apparent
> clarity. In doing so, this point only dances around itself - offers nothing
> you can't realize directly.
>
> What can anyone say in response that you will not directly
> experience (realize) as some aspect of this reality/realization-
> whether you realize it or not - just as when experiencing
> meditation/not meditation?
>
> This more or less business is you triangulating your position.
> Nothing more, nothing less.
>
> KG
>
>
>
> On 9/2/2012 5:57 AM, mike brown wrote:
>
> Â
> >Edgar,
> >
> >
> >Wouldn't you say tho, that reality is less obscured during, or just after, a
> >long retreat of meditation?
> >
> >
> >Mike
> >
> >
> >
> >________________________________
> > From: Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...>
> >To: [email protected]
> >Sent: Sunday, 2 September 2012, 1:13
> >Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: " dancing with the daffodils"
> >
> >
> >Â
> >Mike,
> >
> >
> >Well, it's reality either way, but that reality is always changing as
> >happening continually flows through the present moment. But however it
> >changes it is still reality....
> >
> >
> >Edgar
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >On Sep 1, 2012, at 6:09 PM, mike brown wrote:
> >
> >Â
> >>
> >>
> >>Edgar,
> >>
> >>
> >>Would you say that the world (inner/outer) you look at now is the same as
> >>when you're at the end of a sesshin?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Mike
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>________________________________
> >> From: Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...>
> >>To: [email protected]
> >>Sent: Saturday, 1 September 2012, 18:44
> >>Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: " dancing with the daffodils"
> >>
> >>
> >>Â
> >>ED,
> >>
> >>
> >>Stop practicing and just BE your Buddha Nature!
> >>
> >>
> >>Edgar
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>On Sep 1, 2012, at 12:22 PM, ED wrote:
> >>
> >>Â
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Edgar,
> >>>
> >>>Therefore,
> although each
> of us is
> complete, we
> need to
> practice
> >>>diligently at
> all times with
> no objective
> in mind?
> >>>
> >>>--ED
> >>>
> >>>--- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Joe and
> Merle,
> >>>>
> >>>> There is
> no 'goal' of
> enlightenment
> to be achieved
> without which
> you
> >>>imagine you
> are
> incomplete....
> >>>>
> >>>> There is
> no
> incompleteness.
> This
> understanding
> is an
> essential
> aspect
> >>>of
> realization...
> >>>>
> >>>> Wham!
> >>>>
> >>>> Edgar
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
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