bill i know what you are trying to say...however bill the story is the bigger picture not just thee...merle
EXACTLY! ...Bill! --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > Merle, > > According to Bill, the sun doesn't come up unless Bill is awake and watching > it. He strays from Zen into Solipsism... > > Edgar > > > > > On Sep 9, 2012, at 7:40 AM, Merle Lester wrote: > > > > > > > so you did not see the sun come up this morning? > > there are both absolute truth and relative truths > > both play their role in our world > > merle... 9:40pm...sunday night > > good night to all..thank you for your guidance > > > > > > Merle, > > > > Well, that depends on whether or not you are looking for relative truth or > > absolute Truth. > > > > My opinions reflect truth relative to me. > > > > I haven't found any absolute Truth yet, but then again I'm not looking for > > it. > > > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >  bill ,,i was under the impression we were searching for the truth not > > > your opinion.... merle > > >  > > > Compassion is much simpler and more effective. > > > > > > KG > > > > > > On 9/8/2012 5:59 AM, Bill! wrote: > > > > > >  > > > >I make exceptions for everyone...Bill! > > > > > > > >--- In [email protected], Kristopher Grey <kris@> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Yes, I am aware of your habit of making exceptions > > > for yourself. ;) > > > >> > > > >> KG > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On 9/8/2012 5:30 AM, Bill! wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > Kris, > > > >> > > > > >> > I guess it's time I published another 'Bill! > > > Caveat'. > > > >> > > > > >> > EVERYTHING I post is just my opinion. I'd think > > > all of you would know > > > >> > that, but every so often I have to remind people > > > of that. I'm not > > > >> > claiming to be 'right' or 'wrong', it's just my > > > opinion. > > > >> > > > > >> > Yes, it is my opinion based on my experience and > > > translated into a > > > >> > logically-constructed text-based communication. > > > Yes, I do state my > > > >> > opinions very confidently and openly. No, I > > > don't throw in 'IMO' or > > > >> > 'but I could be wrong' or 'I hope this doesn't > > > upset you' on every post. > > > >> > > > > >> > So again, EVERYTHING I POST IS MY OPINION. > > > You're absolutely entitled > > > >> > to have yours and it can certainly be different > > > than mine. In fact if > > > >> > it wasn't, and everyone on this forum thought > > > exactly alike I wouldn't > > > >> > care to participate in it. > > > >> > > > > >> > Of course that's just my opinion also and maybe > > > you'd like to > > > >> > participate in a forum that everyone agreed with > > > everyone else. > > > >> > > > > >> > ...Bill! > > > >> > > > > >> > --- In [email protected] > > > >> > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > >> > Kristopher Grey <kris@> wrote: > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Bill!, your certainty about the nature of > > > these people's wrongs arises > > > >> > > from the same source as the sins of those > > > you point to. They too > > > >> > believe > > > >> > > themselves right and others wrong. The > > > 'right' I was speaking of - is > > > >> > > this blind self-righteousness - driven by > > > grasping and rejecting arsing > > > >> > > from ignorance of our true nature. The > > > wrong in this, already clear. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > There is a reason such things stick out in > > > your mind - and it's not > > > >> > > about anyone but you. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > KG > > > >> > > > > > >> > > On 9/8/2012 4:35 AM, billsmart wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Merle, > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > I don't know why what I wrote below is > > > not clear. The religions of > > > >> > > > Christianity and Islam are responsible > > > for inciting and encouraging > > > >> > > > people to commit atrocities. And that > > > fact continues to this day. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > You close your post below with "Right > > > marches on". I am just > > > >> > adding so > > > >> > > > does Wrong. 'Right' does not exist > > > without 'Wrong'. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > ...Bill! > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > --- In [email protected] > > > >> > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com> > > > >> > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > >> > > > Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > >  meaning what?..clarify > > > please..merle > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > >  > > > >> > > > > KG and Merle, > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > I agree it's people that commit > > > the horrors, but in the case I was > > > >> > > > talking about it's at the behest and > > > support of their religions > > > >> > > > (Christianity and Islam in this case). > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > ...Bill! > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > --- In [email protected] > > > >> > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com> > > > >> > > > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, Merle Lester > > > >> > > > <merlewiitpom@> > > > >> > wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Ã, you betcha KG..that's > > > it..people do the "dirty work"..merle > > > >> > > > > > Ã, > > > >> > > > > > Ã, 'Christianity' doesn't > > > commit atrocities, or kindnesses. > > > >> > > > People do. Regardless of what they > > > call themselves, the ones who > > > >> > > > commit atrocities are the one who > > > think as divisively and with as > > > >> > much > > > >> > > > certainty regarding others as as you > > > do below. > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Right marches on. > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > KG > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > On 9/8/2012 12:32 AM, Bill! > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Ã, > > > >> > > > > > >Merle, > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >Christianity also > > > conducted 20 or more crusades into the > > > >> > > > > > lands controlled by Islamic > > > people that were responsible > > > >> > > > > > for countless horrors in the > > > name of Jesus and 'universal > > > >> > > > > > love'. > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >...Bill! > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >--- In [email protected] > > > >> > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com> > > > >> > > > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, Merle Lester > > > >> > > > <merlewiitpom@> > > > >> > wrote: > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> Ã, christianity > > > delivers hope and Ã, universal love. > > > >> > > > > > >> the teachings are > > > profound and deep > > > >> > > > > > >> open your > > > heart..and let the sun shine in! > > > >> > > > > > >> Ã, merle > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> On 9/7/2012 6:57 > > > AM, Edgar Owen wrote: > > > >> > > > > > >> > Christianity > > > is the biggest scam on the planet > > > >> > > > > > because it promises > > > >> > > > > > >> > everything and > > > delivers nothing! > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> All appears so, > > > when one seeks from other. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> KG > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > ------------------------------------ > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> Current Book > > > Discussion: any Zen book that you > > > >> > > > > > recently have read or are > > > reading! Talk about it > > > >> > > > > > today!Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> Ã, Ã, http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
