Oh! I've heard some have updated their 'mental model' to replace Apollo's Fiery Chariot with the 'sun'. I've even heard whispers about some real radicals that have replaced the 'sun coming up' mental model with one called 'the earth rotates and the sun is fixed' mental model.
Ha! What's next? 'Neither the sun nor the earth is fixed?' Come on! Give me a break! ...Bill! --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: > >  jesus bill...you do have a big picture imagination!..me i saw the sun > coming up from the horizon...merle > > >  > Merle, > > I saw Apollo on his fiery chariot begin his daily journey across the heavens. > What did you see? > > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > > > > > > > àso you did not see the sun come up this morning? > > àthere are both absolute truth and àrelative truths > > > > both play their role in our world > > àmerle... 9:40pm...sunday night > > àgood night to all..thank you for your guidanceà> > > > à> > Merle, > > > > Well, that depends on whether or not you are looking for relative truth or > > absolute Truth. > > > > My opinions reflect truth relative to me. > > > > I haven't found any absolute Truth yet, but then again I'm not looking for > > it. > > > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Ãâàbill ,,i was under the impression we were searching for the > > > truth not your opinion.... merle > > > Ãâà> > > Compassion is much simpler and more effective. > > > > > > KG > > > > > > On 9/8/2012 5:59 AM, Bill! wrote: > > > > > > Ãâà> > > >I make exceptions for everyone...Bill! > > > > > > > >--- In [email protected], Kristopher Grey <kris@> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Yes, I am aware of your habit of making exceptions > > > for yourself. ;) > > > >> > > > >> KG > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On 9/8/2012 5:30 AM, Bill! wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > Kris, > > > >> > > > > >> > I guess it's time I published another 'Bill! > > > Caveat'. > > > >> > > > > >> > EVERYTHING I post is just my opinion. I'd think > > > all of you would know > > > >> > that, but every so often I have to remind people > > > of that. I'm not > > > >> > claiming to be 'right' or 'wrong', it's just my > > > opinion. > > > >> > > > > >> > Yes, it is my opinion based on my experience and > > > translated into a > > > >> > logically-constructed text-based communication. > > > Yes, I do state my > > > >> > opinions very confidently and openly. No, I > > > don't throw in 'IMO' or > > > >> > 'but I could be wrong' or 'I hope this doesn't > > > upset you' on every post. > > > >> > > > > >> > So again, EVERYTHING I POST IS MY OPINION. > > > You're absolutely entitled > > > >> > to have yours and it can certainly be different > > > than mine. In fact if > > > >> > it wasn't, and everyone on this forum thought > > > exactly alike I wouldn't > > > >> > care to participate in it. > > > >> > > > > >> > Of course that's just my opinion also and maybe > > > you'd like to > > > >> > participate in a forum that everyone agreed with > > > everyone else. > > > >> > > > > >> > ...Bill! > > > >> > > > > >> > --- In [email protected] > > > >> > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > >> > Kristopher Grey <kris@> wrote: > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Bill!, your certainty about the nature of > > > these people's wrongs arises > > > >> > > from the same source as the sins of those > > > you point to. They too > > > >> > believe > > > >> > > themselves right and others wrong. The > > > 'right' I was speaking of - is > > > >> > > this blind self-righteousness - driven by > > > grasping and rejecting arsing > > > >> > > from ignorance of our true nature. The > > > wrong in this, already clear. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > There is a reason such things stick out in > > > your mind - and it's not > > > >> > > about anyone but you. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > KG > > > >> > > > > > >> > > On 9/8/2012 4:35 AM, billsmart wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Merle, > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > I don't know why what I wrote below is > > > not clear. The religions of > > > >> > > > Christianity and Islam are responsible > > > for inciting and encouraging > > > >> > > > people to commit atrocities. And that > > > fact continues to this day. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > You close your post below with "Right > > > marches on". I am just > > > >> > adding so > > > >> > > > does Wrong. 'Right' does not exist > > > without 'Wrong'. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > ...Bill! > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > --- In [email protected] > > > >> > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com> > > > >> > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > >> > > > Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ meaning what?..clarify > > > please..merle > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ > > > >> > > > > KG and Merle, > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > I agree it's people that commit > > > the horrors, but in the case I was > > > >> > > > talking about it's at the behest and > > > support of their religions > > > >> > > > (Christianity and Islam in this case). > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > ...Bill! > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > --- In [email protected] > > > >> > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com> > > > >> > > > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, Merle Lester > > > >> > > > <merlewiitpom@> > > > >> > wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > ÃÆ'Ã',ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ you betcha KG..that's > > > it..people do the "dirty work"..merle > > > >> > > > > > ÃÆ'Ã',ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ > > > >> > > > > > ÃÆ'Ã',ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ 'Christianity' doesn't > > > commit atrocities, or kindnesses. > > > >> > > > People do. Regardless of what they > > > call themselves, the ones who > > > >> > > > commit atrocities are the one who > > > think as divisively and with as > > > >> > much > > > >> > > > certainty regarding others as as you > > > do below. > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Right marches on. > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > KG > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > On 9/8/2012 12:32 AM, Bill! > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > ÃÆ'Ã',ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ > > > >> > > > > > >Merle, > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >Christianity also > > > conducted 20 or more crusades into the > > > >> > > > > > lands controlled by Islamic > > > people that were responsible > > > >> > > > > > for countless horrors in the > > > name of Jesus and 'universal > > > >> > > > > > love'. > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >...Bill! > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >--- In [email protected] > > > >> > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com> > > > >> > > > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, Merle Lester > > > >> > > > <merlewiitpom@> > > > >> > wrote: > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> ÃÆ'Ã',ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ christianity > > > delivers hope and ÃÆ'Ã',ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ universal love. > > > >> > > > > > >> the teachings are > > > profound and deep > > > >> > > > > > >> open your > > > heart..and let the sun shine in! > > > >> > > > > > >> ÃÆ'Ã',ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ merle > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> On 9/7/2012 6:57 > > > AM, Edgar Owen wrote: > > > >> > > > > > >> > Christianity > > > is the biggest scam on the planet > > > >> > > > > > because it promises > > > >> > > > > > >> > everything and > > > delivers nothing! > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> All appears so, > > > when one seeks from other. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> KG > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > ------------------------------------ > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> Current Book > > > Discussion: any Zen book that you > > > >> > > > > > recently have read or are > > > reading! 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