Merle,

That's not true. The hook and even more it's removal damages and sometimes even 
breaks the fish's mouth. I suspect many are unable to eat or die from 
infections...

Edgar



On Sep 10, 2012, at 7:45 PM, Merle Lester wrote:

> 
> 
>  bill..you catch the fish... you release the hook and throw them back...they 
> swim away happy...merle
> 
>  
> Here is south Louisiana it sometimes happens that hunters will set fire to 
> one side of a marsh and other hunters would stand outside of the marsh, 
> usually across a bit of open water, and then shoot the animals that run 
> towards them from the fire.   A similar technique was used by hunters in Ohio 
> years ago.  One group of hunters would walk though a wooded area flushing out 
> the animals while another group would stand along a roadway and wait for the 
> animals to run out of the woods.  Brutal. My father took me a hunting for 
> rabbits and pheasant few times when I was a child, I was allowed a sling 
> shot.  I liked the big boom of the 12 gauge shotgun (I shot skeet) but I 
> could never see the enjoyment in killing anything.  I used to bury the fish 
> that I caught when he took me fishing.  Funny thing is that every fish that I 
> ever buried must have been eaten by other animals, because it never failed 
> that, the next day the small grave would be empty.
>  
> Bill 
> 
> 
> 
> Find what makes your heart sing…and do it!
> 
> 
> From: Edgar Owen <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Mon, September 10, 2012 6:07:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [Zen] suffering
> 
>  
> KG,
> 
> I do feed them some corn and table scraps but I live on 16 acres and there 
> are plenty of other things for them to eat too. There are many deer around 
> this area and most are fairly tame...
> 
> Of course the hunters bait them by dumping corn under their tree stands and 
> shooting them when they come to feed....
> 
> To me that's a huge betrayal of trust, to feed an animal so you can then kill 
> it...
> 
> Edgar
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 10, 2012, at 3:41 PM, Kristopher Grey wrote:
> 
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>> 
>>  Edgar,
>> 
>> Do you feed them, or (perhaps unintentionally) present feeding opportunities 
>> with grass/garden,  and thereby acclimate them to human presence? Just a 
>> thought, an interrelated aspect, not a judgment.
>> 
>> KG
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 9/10/2012 6:48 AM, Edgar Owen wrote:
>>>  
>>> Merle,
>>> 
>>> I have the same problem with people killing animals. Today is the first day 
>>> of deer hunting season here in NJ. Since I've lived here I've had continual 
>>> problems with hunters in all sorts of ways and have continually fought to 
>>> deter and prevent them, in particular from killing the wonderful deer 
>>> family that hangs out in my front yard and comes right up to me when I come 
>>> out the door.
>>> 
>>> It's a continual test of my Zen! And a continual lesson that Zen can indeed 
>>> be active in the world...
>>> 
>>> Edgar
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sep 10, 2012, at 3:49 AM, Merle Lester wrote:
>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>  i dunno about you folk out there but i am no good at suffering... firstly 
>>>> my own and secondly witnessing others...human, animal or vegetable... 
>>>> suffering is no way to live
>>>>  
>>>> Merle
>>>> www.wix.com/merlewiitpom/1
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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