I did go fishing about 20 years ago with a neighbor. We kept the fish and ate them but I didn't enjoy the fishing part. We went out on a large boat into the Gulf of Mexico with about a dozen other people. I kept hoping that no fish would bite my line. None did. We were provided with fishing poles and were told that if we were near one that got a hit we were to grab it and reel it in. I kept moving. Many fish were caught, killed and butchered. Sharks, Mackerals, Amber Jacks, Tuna, Red Fish. Some of these animals were huge and people got very excited. Catch and release just wouldn't have gone over well with that group. My son was 10, he was near a pole that hooked a 40 pound Mackeral that was longer than he was tall. He fought the thing for 15 minutes before the mate could gaff it and bring it on board. The trip was magnificent and the comradery was superb. We drank beer, cruised the oil rigs out in the Gulf, watched the sun rise and set, saw many dolphins. Lots of sun. They next all wanted to go duck hunting. I excused myself since I don't have a shotgun.
Bill Find what makes your heart sing…and do it! ________________________________ From: Bill! <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, September 11, 2012 3:07:52 AM Subject: Re: [Zen] suffering Th fish, HAPPY? Ha! Ha! Ha! (...or 'L' 'L' 'L') ...Bill! --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: > > > >  bill..you catch the fish... you release the hook and throw them back...they >swim away happy...merle > > >  > Here is south Louisiana it sometimes happens that hunters will set fire to > one >side of a marsh and other hunters would stand outside of the marsh, usually >across a bit of open water, and then shoot the animals that run towards them >from the fire.  A similar technique was used by hunters in Ohio years >ago. >One group of hunters would walk though a wooded area flushing out the animals >while another group would stand along a roadway and wait for the animals to >run >out of the woods. Brutal. My father took me a hunting for rabbits and >pheasant few times when I was a child, I was allowed a sling shot. I liked >the big boom of the 12 gauge shotgun (I shot skeet) but I could never see the >enjoyment in killing anything. I used to bury the fish that I caught when he >took me fishing. Funny thing is that every fish that I ever buried must >have >been eaten by other animals, because it never failed that, the next day the >small grave would be empty. >  Bill > > > > > Find what makes your heart sing…and do it! > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Mon, September 10, 2012 6:07:15 PM > Subject: Re: [Zen] suffering > >  > KG, > > I do feed them some corn and table scraps but I live on 16 acres and there > are >plenty of other things for them to eat too. There are many deer around this >area >and most are fairly tame... > > Of course the hunters bait them by dumping corn under their tree stands and >shooting them when they come to feed.... > > To me that's a huge betrayal of trust, to feed an animal so you can then kill >it... > > Edgar > > > > > > > On Sep 10, 2012, at 3:41 PM, Kristopher Grey wrote: > >  > > > > > > Edgar, > > > >Do you feed them, or (perhaps unintentionally) present feeding opportunities >with grass/garden, and thereby acclimate them to human presence? Just a >thought, an interrelated aspect, not a judgment. > > > >KG > > > > > > > > > >On 9/10/2012 6:48 AM, Edgar Owen wrote: > > > > > >>Merle, > >> > >> > >>I have the same problem with people killing animals. Today is the first day >of deer hunting season here in NJ. Since I've lived here I've had continual >problems with hunters in all sorts of ways and have continually fought to >deter >and prevent them, in particular from killing the wonderful deer family that >hangs out in my front yard and comes right up to me when I come out the door. > >> > >> > >>It's a continual test of my Zen! And a continual lesson that Zen can indeed >be active in the world... > >> > >> > >>Edgar > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>On Sep 10, 2012, at 3:49 AM, Merle Lester wrote: > >> > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> i dunno about you folk out there but i am no good at suffering... > >>>firstly >my own and secondly witnessing others...human, animal or vegetable... > >>>suffering is no way to live > >>> > >>>Merle > >>>www.wix.com/merlewiitpom/1 > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >
