Chris, But what about the clock on your cell phone? ...Bill!
--- In [email protected], ChrisAustinLane <chris@...> wrote: > > The flowing part may be an illusion - certainly the idea > > Thanks, > Chris Austin-Lane > Sent from a cell phone > > On Oct 9, 2012, at 6:21, Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > > > > > > Bill, > > > > First sentence is correct. But both kinds of time are NOT illusion. The > > time of the present moment, and the clock time that continually flows > > through the present moment are part of the reality of the world of forms > > which is a direct manifestation of Buddha Nature. > > > > These are real, what is illusion is your incorrect mental interpretation of > > them. > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > On Oct 9, 2012, at 3:23 AM, billsmart wrote: > > > >> Jim, > >> > >> There is only Now. Past is just a memory. Future is a projection. There is > >> only Now. > >> > >> Time is an illusion. > >> > >> ...Bill! > >> > >> --- In [email protected], "jfnewell7" <jfnewell7@> wrote: > >> > > >> > Yes, of course. We don't know what Bankei meant, and wouldn't even if > >> > the words were translated exactly, because words are inadequate to fully > >> > describe consciousness. > >> > > >> > In some of the world's traditions, there is a theory that all times > >> > exist simultaneously, and we just think me are moving through time. If > >> > that is true, then when enlightened, we would have a NOW which included > >> > all the past and all the future, seen all at once forever. > >> > > >> > I can't say whether or not that theory is true. I don't know whether the > >> > real NOW moves through time, so the past really is gone and the future > >> > really hasn't happened, or the real NOW forever includes all moments of > >> > time. > >> > > >> > If we could find out, it would affect our judgment of when we are seeing > >> > accurately. For example, if NOW spreads eternally, and we see a NOW > >> > which is only a short moment, we would know that we aren't actually > >> > seeing the real NOW yet. On the other hand, if the real NOW is only a > >> > short moment, then we would know that we either are seeing the real NOW, > >> > or we are close. > >> > > >> > But since I am unable to tell you which theory is true, I couldn't > >> > decide whether or not your experience is true, even if I could directly > >> > detect what is in your consciousness. > >> > > >> > Jim > >> > > >> > --- In [email protected], "billsmart" <BillSmart@> wrote: > >> > > > >> > > Jim, > >> > > > >> > > Bankei did mean something profound. He was doing his best to describe > >> > > the raw, unfiltered, holistic (non-dualistic) experience Zen Buddhists > >> > > call Buddha Nature. He did this in the context of hearing a bell. He > >> > > did not try to explain it. He tried to describe it. > >> > > > >> > > He used some terms that are very important. Now these terms have been > >> > > translated into English so we don't really know EXACTLY what he said, > >> > > but if the translation was close then he's using terms in a way that > >> > > we don't use them in everyday English. > >> > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
