Jim, Actually from this perspective you are correct and it is the mind's simulation of the flag that the mind sees moving...
Nevertheless there must be an actual moving reality that is simulated... Edgar On Oct 9, 2012, at 12:39 PM, jfnewell7 wrote: > Let me throw in an actual experience, which I am able to repeat when I want > to. I don't understand exactly how the experience fits in, however. > > When I have watched flags moving in the wind, that is actually watching an > image inside my head of flags moving in the wind. But in addition, I have had > an experience of something close to the inner eye, but visually invisible, > flapping along with the image of the flapping. > > In context, I often see the images inside my head, if I'm not too attached to > thinking the image is outside my head. Then, more towards the back of my > head, there is a single point from which I feel like I am watching the image, > an inner eye, or inner self. An illusory self I would guess. Between this > point and the image, there is a certain amount of space inside my head. It is > almost at the illusory point self that the invisible flapping is occurring. > > Jim > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > > > Joe, > > > > The correct interpretation of the Zen flag parable is not that the flag = > > time doesn't move but that the dumb argument the two monks were having was > > their minds moving.... > > > > Edgar > > > > > > On Oct 9, 2012, at 11:49 AM, Joe wrote: > > > > > Edgar, Bill!, and other horologists, > > > > > > To paraphrase our Sixth Ancestor of Zen: > > > > > > "It's not Time that moves, it is your mind." > > > > > > --Joe > > > > > > > "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Edgar, > > > > > > > > I agree that our mental interpretations are illusory, but that doesn't > > > > mean that a 'flowing clock time' is real. > > > > > > > > If there is only Now, there is no flow of time. [snip] > > > > > > > > > >
