I agree. Logic requires a structure. My understanding is that in Zen structure is formless. Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 12, 2012, at 9:06 PM, "Bill!" <[email protected]> wrote: > Bill, > > To me zen de-emphasizes logic and emphasizes intuition (which could also be > called 'The Tao' or 'The Way'). > > But I think there might be at least one person on this forum that doesn't > share that view. > > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], William Rintala <brintala@...> wrote: > > > > I am a Trekkie. Vulcans practiced Meditation and were coldly unemotional > > with > > very disciplined "minds". Surak was the founder of Vulcan "Logic" and set > > down > > the complicated rules 2000 years before the time of Star Trek. At the time > > of > > Surak, Vulcan was in the throws of a civil war that threatened to destroy > > the > > planet. Surak felt that the uncontrolled emotions of the Vulcan people was > > the source of this violence. He set out rules for restoring Vulcan society > > to > > the "true path" of non-violence and logic. A disciplined mind, free of > > emotional > > control, allowed the practioner to remain rational, logical. That is the > > perception that many people have of those who meditate. All of the > > foresaid is > > allegorical, based upon a fiction, however, a life based upon meditation > > and > > nonviolence is not too bad of an idea. Zen does not teach nonviolence > > though. > > As I recall the Japanese Samurai practiced Zen. > > > > The Religion of the Samurai - A Study of Zen Philosophy and Discipline in > > China > > and Japan - By Kaiten Nukariy > > > > http://www.sacred-texts.com/bud/rosa/index.htm > > > > > > B > > > > > > > > > > Find what makes your heart sing…and do it! > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Bill! <BillSmart@...> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Fri, October 12, 2012 2:15:16 AM > > Subject: [Zen] Re: Possibly Delicious Levity -- "To Boldly Slice" > > > > > > Joe, > > > > First officer Spock should NOT put you in mind of zen since he represents > > pure > > logic...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected], "Joe" <desert_woodworker@> wrote: > > > > > > Space.com has for sale at its site a pizza cutter in the shape of the > > > Star Trek > > >starship, the "Enterprise". > > > > > > (BTW, Spock always puts me in mind of "Zen", somehow). > > > > > > Maybe there are other Trekkers, here. > > > > > > The tool might be for sale elsewhere, too, as it is said to be officially > > >licensed merchandise. > > > > > > It's $29.95, though. I know I can live without it. But it's a nice work > > > of > > >practical art. Laser-etched Stainless Steel; Chromium body. Solid > > >Nutronium > > >hull, and Unobtainium undercarriage. Click on photo for larger view: > > > > > > http://store.space.com/gifts-gadgets/star-trek-enterprise-pizza-cutter/ > > > > > > Buon Appetito, > > > > > > --Joe > > > > > > >
