Bill, EXACTLY! What does Jim mean by 'saved'? ...Bill!
--- In [email protected], William Rintala <brintala@...> wrote: > > Saved from what? In the final analysis aren't we all saved already. > Whether we > sit in meditation or not isn't our true nature pure and uncorruptable? > >  B > > > > > Find what makes your heart singâ¦and do it! > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Bill! <BillSmart@...> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sat, October 13, 2012 3:00:37 AM > Subject: [Zen] Re: nice news from Jim > >  > Joe, et al... > > Also I think if your suspicion is correct that "...he seeks a technology for > universal salvation. And maybe it will involve technology..." then that > validates my feeling that Edgar should encourage him to join some OTHER forum > more technology-related, like those that I THINK Edgar frequents on science, > physics,math or even scientifically-oriented forums on consciousness. > > If you get a chance and can do so without causing Jim to spin off into > infinity > like one half of an unmeasured electron pair without any idea of his spin > direction, please ask him just what he believes a 'Buddha' or 'Bodhisattva' > is > SUPPOSED to do? Or SHOULD do BETTER? > > > Perhaps you could phrase it something like: "If you (Jim) were a Bodhisattva > and > in front of you was a closed box containing a being, how could you cause that > being to be either 'saved' or 'not saved' without lifting the lid?" > > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > Joe, > > > > I must admit your paraphrasing of Jim's response has softened my heart a > >little. If those were really his motives then he did come to the right > >place, > >but his dilemma was not shared by the group so he didn't get the support he > >was > >looking for. I still think though that he did not want to listen and only > >wanted > >to talk. > > > > I think he made the right decision in leaving the group. > > > > I think your email software made the right decision in routing his email to > >your SPAM folder. > > > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected], "Joe" <desert_woodworker@> wrote: > > > > > > Group, > > > > > > Jim, who had been on-board the Group about a week, replied privately to > > > my > >private email about 24 hours ago. > > > > > > Both my email and his quick reply are about that old. His reply went to > > > my > >Spam folder, and I found it only this afternoon, here, about 18 hours after > >he > >mailed it. > > > > > > I don't know why it went to "Spam." Just my karma, I guess. Or maybe not. > > > > > > I'm falling asleep though. You'd think an astronomer could stay awake at > >night! It's been a long, good day. > > > > > > I'll only paraphrase and synopsize Jim's reply, since I have not asked > > > his > >permission to quote anything (and I won't go there). > > > > > > Well... he expresses dissatisfaction with the way Buddhas and > > > Bodhisattvas > >have saved people. He feels that something is really wrong when a Buddha, > >etc., > >can't just save everybody once and for all. So he seeks a new way to do just > >that, since obviously the old way(s) have not worked / did not work. > > > > > > I think he seeks a technology for universal salvation. And maybe it will > >involve technology, I'm not sure. > > > > > > I gather he felt that the Group had no faith in the possibility of this, > > > and > >he does not want to jeopardize or diminish our faith in what we DO feel is > >possible, and what we have expressed as what we feel to be possible. So, he > >has > >cashed in his chips: he has left the group for *our sake*. > > > > > > That's the gist I get. I'll re-read his mail again after a sleep. > > > > > > Good night All, from the cooling desert. > > > > > > --Joe > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
