Mike, FINALLY something real from you. There may be hope after all...for both of us
hongyeongsoo On 10/27/12, mike brown <[email protected]> wrote: > Chris, > > I just can't believe someone would doubt the Pearls of Wisdom Emanating from > my Fully Enlightened Being, so I have to reply that way. Hongyeongsoo is > lucky I merely replied by email - it would be much worse for him if I had > his real name and address... > > > > ________________________________ > From: Chris Austin-Lane <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Friday, 26 October 2012, 2:02 > Subject: Re: [Zen] original zen > > > > The idea of a loop of "why do you imagine me thusly?" "it is you that > imagine, if you do not cease" captures my fancy. no doubt one or the other > would wake up and the pattern would fall aside, ceasing > On Oct 25, 2012 5:25 PM, "mike brown" <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> >>Lol! It wasn't just me that had a profound experience of deja vu then. >> >> >> >>________________________________ >> From: Chris Austin-Lane <[email protected]> >>To: [email protected] >>Sent: Friday, 26 October 2012, 1:09 >>Subject: Re: [Zen] original zen >> >> >> >>Please can you reply to a post from KG? Pretty please? >>--Chris Ausin-Lane >>sent from a train >>1-301-270-6524 >>On Oct 25, 2012 4:47 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> > There's no need to speculate whether we are always aware, or not. We >>> > just >>> > are. Of course, some are not aware that we are always aware. Funny you >>> > should put me in that camp, but there you are... >>> >>> yes, a need to or not does not interfere with your speculation. ;-) >>> >>> "We just are" Can you feel it in your zen bones? >>> >>> it makes no difference to me, but when you use expressions like "going >>> beyond" there must be a lacking, a goal, call it what you like. >>> >>> hongyeongsoo >>> >>> > >>> > Mike >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ________________________________ >>> > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>> > To: [email protected] >>> > Sent: Thursday, 25 October 2012, 23:53 >>> > Subject: Re: [Zen] original zen >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>>does a door-post lack anything? >>> >> >>> >> Well, you've just answered your own question by asking me and not the >>> >> door-post. >>> > >>> > i ask you because you seem to think so or not so. >>> > >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>>more than enough awakened persons have stated, "Awakening chooses >>> >> you"; not the other way around. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> That's only one side of the dualistic coin (tariki = outside help; >>> >> other >>> >> power). The other side is of the coin is Jiriki (Awakening brought >>> >> about >>> >> by >>> >> one's own self power/effort). They're not mutually exclusive, btw. >>> > >>> > tariki/jiriki...huh? outside of scriptures and/or japanese language. >>> > show me please... >>> > also, "outside(tariki)/inside(jiriki)"? of what? WHO? >>> > >>> >> >>> >>> No conditions. >>> >> >>> >> You could say that Buddha Nature is the Unconditioned, but what >>> >> prevents >>> >> a >>> >> person in a coma from becoming Awakened in this very moment? >>> > >>> > i don't know >>> > >>> >> >>> >>>"beyond intellect into intuition and awareness"? have you been >>> >>> there? >>> >> >>> >> Who hasn't been there? Who isn't there now? Even when you're in the >>> >> middle >>> >> of a grievous argument your awareness of being doesn't disappear. >>> > >>> > reminds me of Zuigan's morning question, "Master, Master, are you >>> > awake? are you Super Awake?" okay, so no problems? what are you >>> > aspiring towards? >>> > >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>>or are you just speculating? >>> >> >>> >> What do you think? >>> > >>> > yes. >>> > >>> > hongyeongsoo >>> > >>> >> >>> >> Mike >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> ________________________________ >>> >> From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>> >> To: [email protected] >>> >> Sent: Thursday, 25 October 2012, 19:34 >>> >> Subject: Re: [Zen] original zen >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> does a door-post lack anything? >>> >> >>> >> more than enough awakened persons have stated, "Awakening chooses >>> >> you"; not the other way around. No conditions. >>> >> >>> >> "beyond intellect into intuition and awareness"? have you been >>> >> there? >>> >> or are you just speculating? >>> >> >>> >> hongyeongsoo >>> >> >>> >> "zazen is good for nothing" >>> >> >>> >> On 10/24/12, mike brown <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> In Edgar's defence, try telling a door-post, or a one day old baby, >>> >>> or a >>> >>> person in a coma - "Just This" - and see if they Awaken. So the >>> >>> intellect >>> >>> is >>> >>> needed to both live and set the conditions for awakening, but >>> >>> toreally >>> >>> live >>> >>> we have to go beyond the intellect into intuition and awareness. 2 >>> >>> plus >>> >>> 2 >>> >>> = >>> >>> 4. But what does 4 equal? >>> >>> >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> >>> From: Joe <[email protected]> >>> >>> To: [email protected] >>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, 24 October 2012, 23:26 >>> >>> Subject: Re: [Zen] original zen >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Group, & Edgar, >>> >>> >>> >>> I did my level best to draw Edgar out, but to Noah Veil. >>> >>> >>> >>> I inscribe my Gatha in sorrow, with regret and apology to all. >>> >>> >>> >>> To Edgar: >>> >>> -- ----- >>> >>> Stubbornness does not Compassion show; >>> >>> Nor Self-Protectiveness quicken the Slow. >>> >>> One-up-man-ship >>> >>> Did never steal THIS show. >>> >>> >>> >>> Generosity and consideration >>> >>> Are a far more wholesome ration. >>> >>> But Clarity, Honesty, and help, >>> >>> Come not from a whelp. >>> >>> >>> >>> To raise a point and then depart >>> >>> Is the misplaced throwing of a dart. >>> >>> To live to lie another day, >>> >>> is the cellulose Philosophy of a bale of Hay. >>> >>> >>> >>> --J. Guo-Xiang Tennen M. >>> >>> >>> >>>> Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> REALITY, THE WORLD OF FORMS, as I just said! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------ >>> >>> Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are >>> reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! 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